UDONKO plz tell us what is going on

[System_1]

I IMed you before and you never responded, so shut the fuck up. You’re a pussy, and the only reason you can post this nonsense is because nobody has found a way to punch people through a computer screen. Whatever, I was okay with the comic before reading your shit. You accuse people who actually like the comic and want it to do well. So fuck you, I’m dropping the comic. It hurts Udon more than it hurts you, but he shoulda banned your ass from this forum months ago anyway, so whatever.

[Apathy-Inc]

I IMed you before and you never responded, so shut the fuck up. You’re a pussy, and the only reason you can post this nonsense is because nobody has found a way to punch people through a computer screen. Whatever, I was okay with the comic before reading your shit. You accuse people who actually like the comic and want it to do well. So fuck you, I’m dropping the comic. It hurts Udon more than it hurts you, but he shoulda banned your ass from this forum months ago anyway, so whatever.

You IMed me while I was asleep and about a thread that’s been dead for over a fucking year.
Not to mention it was about Darkstalkers and someone else answered the question.
If you can’t use the search option then you shouldn’t be on message boards.
Don’t try to act like you “called me out”.
That’s hilarious.

Accuse people of what?
They don’t want it to do well, they (first and foremost) want to read it faster.

I love it when someone calls me “internet tuff” and then goes on to insinuate that they’d beat my ass if they could.
That’s really showing me.

If you’re going to drop the comic over what someone not even affiliated with Udon says on the message board you need your head examined.

FYI: I asked him to PM or AIM me so this thread didn’t turn into a drawn out flamewar.

[System_1]

I don’t actually like Alex Ross that much. He’s not crap by all means, but the main thing I dislike about his stuff is that everyone looks chubby. Apart from that, he’s pretty damn good. I did like the Jim Lee/Alex Ross collaborative piece though. VERY nice!

I agree with you, I was just trying to think of a big enough name everyone knows and (mostly) likes.

Here we go, Apathy sometimes you really just need to learn to chill and give some respect to people.

It’s the Internet, it gives voice to every pea brained idiot on this planet. It’s my fault for responding to the ass hole, If I had just ignored him we would have all moved on by now.
So lets just ignore Apathy-Inc until he is banned or just stops posting.

[Apathy-Inc]

It’s my fault for responding to the ass hole, If I had just ignored him we would have all moved on by now.
So lets just ignore Apathy-Inc until he is banned or just stops posting.

You must be new here.
I’m not going to get banned, and I’m not going to stop posting.

There’s a thread soley dedicated to insulting CammyFighter that took 3 pages of flames and weeks to get locked.

Maybe some people remember blackwidow and whoever they were before. It took them about 4 months, several PMs to get banned and even that didn’t stop them from posting pure flames.

And then there’s the infamous “Is Dudely Black?” thread…I don’t think I need to say any more.

The point is: people do much much worse than call someone a “moron” and don’t even get warned.

It’s the Internet, it gives voice to every pea brained idiot on this planet.

Hey, look at that, we agree on something. :wgrin:

[System_1]

I changed my mind, I’m going to respond to this retard to see if he even knows how dumb he is…

You must be new here.
I’m not going to get banned, and I’m not going to stop posting.

Yeah…I’m new that’s why my “join date” is before yours…And you call me a moron? Wow. :wonder:

There’s a thread soley dedicated to insulting CammyFighter that took 3 pages of flames and weeks to get locked.

Maybe some people remember blackwidow and whoever they were before. It took them about 4 months, several PMs to get banned and even that didn’t stop them from posting pure flames.

And then there’s the infamous “Is Dudely Black?” thread…I don’t think I need to say any more.

The point is: people do much much worse than call someone a “moron” and don’t even get warned.

Yeah, it sucks that trolls like you take advantage of the freedom of this forum. people like you are the reason we need mods… Your mother must be real proud :lol:

Angry fanboy would be the dork coming onto a message board crying because a comic isn’t out soon enough for him and then having the balls to give his “2 cents” about how many pages he thinks a professional artist should be required to do in a month.

If you think art like Liefelds never gets out, you might wanna spend your time browsing other titles in the comic store while you’re counting the minutes until the next SF issue comes out.

This is how you guys wanted it.
Before you were crying because the art wasn’t “as good” and you all wanted Alvin to do it full time.
Now you got what you wanted and you’re still not happy.
Talk about pointless and juvenile.:rolleyes:

Show me one example of a comic that has come out in the last 30 days that compares to Liefield. No one working in professional (Marvel, DC, Image, Darkhorse and so on) comics today is as uneducated as he is when it comes to human anatomy.

As for speed, anyone who knows how comics are made would tell you that if you can’t draw a page a day (or 22 pages in thirty days) then you shouldn’t be drawings comics. That’s not my “2 cents” it’s an industry standard they tell anyone during a portfolio review.

[Apathy-Inc]

I changed my mind, I’m going to respond to this retard to see if he even knows how dumb he is…

Yeah…I’m new that’s why my “join date” is before yours…And you call me a moron? Wow. :wonder:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

Show me one example of a comic that has come out in the last 30 days that compares to Liefield. No one working in professional (Marvel, DC, Image, Darkhorse and so on) comics today is as uneducated as he is when it comes to human anatomy.

As for speed, anyone who knows how comics are made would tell you that if you can’t draw a page a day (or 22 pages in thirty days) then you shouldn’t be drawings comics. That’s not my “2 cents” it’s an industry standard they tell anyone during a portfolio review.

Mike Turner is an easy target for bad anatomy and luke warm storytelling.
This is assuming he put out something in the last 30 days that wasn’t an alternate cover of people standing around with expressionless faces.
How about Ian Churchill?

I don’t think you should be lecturing me of all posters on how comics are made.
Not only did I graduate from the Joe Kubert School of Graphic Art and Design, but I’ve been slowly, but surely making my way into the industry.

It’s an industry ideal, not a standard, sorry to say.

Take a look at the vast majority of big name artists that not only are notorious for being late, but continue to get high profile work.
Mike Turner
Joe MAD!
Bryan Hitch
The Kubert Bros.
J. Scott Campbell
John Cassady

Not to mention writers…

People want quality and they’re willing to wait for it. Numbers don’t lie.
The big companies have realized this and give a lot of leeway to their creators, not to mention pretty much EVERY new series only goes in 3-5 issue story arcs that the artists start on 3-4 issues in advance.
Most of these guys can’t do a monthly book, but with they trick you into thinking they can.

People like Mark Bagley and JRJR are a minority.

You’re 100% correct if you’re talking about anyone who wants to get into the industry.
Reading Jim Zubkavich’s articles on Newsarama is solid gold for any aspiring artist.
The rules don’t apply nearly as much after you’ve got your foot firmly in the door, however, and that’s what we’re talking about here.

I have several friends doing work for Marvel, Top Cow, Slave Labor, Aspen and none of them can do a monthly book all the time, yet they’ve still got work and continue to get work.
Why? Because they’re fucking good.

This isn’t even to mention that a book’s schedule isn’t soley dependant upon the penciller. There’s the inker(s), writer, colorist(s), letter(s), printers, editors etc etc that factor into it as well.
Plus there’s his location too…
Erik has already stated the reasons for the late issues.

Is Alvin expected to meet his deadlines? Sure.
Would any editor in their right mind fire him for missing them? Not a chance.
Sure, it’d be nice if they could do a comic a month. Hell, a comic a week… but it’s not realistic and the people here spoke up and said they wanted quality over quantity and now that they’ve got what they wanted they want it back the old way.

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Yeah, it sucks that trolls like you take advantage of the freedom of this forum. people like you are the reason we need mods… Your mother must be real proud

For your information, jackass, I not only didn’t post in those threads flaming CammyFighter/TAS I’m usually there defending them.
Do some research.

[System_1]

Huh. You do have the ability to have an actual conversation after all? You’d do well to abandon the sarcasm and out right insults, perhaps then people might value your opinion. I’m not interested in hurling insults, so why don’t we both just stop. Truce? As for the rest of your post…

You misunderstand me. I am a comics READER not a collector, and I want my comics on time. If that means changing an artist who is lagging so be it. Udonko pointed out two things that frighten and concern me. One, that if they didn’t have multiple covers the book wouldn’t sell and that two, the fans that are willing to wait for a particular artist…That tells me their are more comic collectors buying this book then comic readers. It’s sad that speculators are keeping America’s greatest story telling medium alive while readers are far and few in between…That is my concern.

It’s easy to make your own rules when you are popular, and any of those guys you list pretty much have free reign when it comes to deadlines or like you said will work in advance.
If I know an artist to be slow I work it into a schedule, my general rule of thumb is to have five issues done in advance so as to give enough time to adjust to any unforeseen circumstance.
It seams Udonko’s biggest problem isn’t just how long Alvin Lee’s takes, it’s how they manage their time. putting a con before the book is like that old saying about putting a cart before a horse…

You bring up an excellent point though, Bagley and Romita do seam like an exception in a sea of slow professionals…The problem is that people slow down and they become more popular. they loose that drive that makes them pull all nighter and skip sleep for days on end. They get popular and loose a bit of dedication because they can. The word I’m looking for is “slacker”. It seams like comics today are filled with slackers. I guess that’s my problem. I just want a damn book to be on time for once!

At least we agree that Mike Turner needs some more education. And Ian Churchill’s style is just a copy cat of Turner who in turn is a copy cat of Jim lee…At least Ian Churchill is a better sequential story teller and is faster then Turner…But C’mon Turner understands how to draw things like hands, feet and faces. Liefield is in his own league of suck. he’s like a Jr. high kid who learned to draw by reading comic…I think Turner got worse at time went on. His old work on Witchblade wasn’t as bad as his more recent stuff, he also use to be faster…I think he just got lazy as an artist. You never stop learning, especially if your an artist…

That’s something you should keep in mind just because you have a toe in the door, doesn’t mean you still don’t have a lot to learn. I’m a writer who has worked in the industry my self.
I’m not saying I know everything (me resume is pretty tiny), but I’m humble enough to know I’m still learning. Judging by your deviant art gallery you certainly are a talented pin up artists to say the least. If you work on your humbleness you just might go far.

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Is Alvin expected to meet his deadlines? Sure.
Would any editor in their right mind fire him for missing them? Not a chance.
Sure, it’d be nice if they could do a comic a month. Hell, a comic a week… but it’s not realistic.
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…so it is unrealistic to expect an artist to produce 17 pages in 30 days? Pardon the sarcasm, but I think for this it applies. :looney:

For your information, jackass, I not only didn’t post in those threads flaming CammyFighter/TAS I’m usually there defending them.
Do some research.

Just because your not as much of an idiot as some of the other angry ass holes,doesn’t mean your not disrespectful. I wrote a thought out post with my actual concern, you breezed over my concern and called me a moron. That’s not exactly a mark of maturity or good debating skills. Like i said, I’m not interested in hurling insults. I came to mention a concern of mine and debate the matter, I didn’t come looking for your flames.

[Matarick]

I hope Udon works on the localizations/translations of the SF mangas so that they would have a lower cost method of doing thier business while supporting thier entire operations. More and more people are snatching up mangas these days since the scope of manga is outside of the comic book store and into retail bookstores.

I think the greatest cost of working on the manga is getting the rights to it and I wonder if the cost of getting the manga rights is as much or less than an origional series based on an existing IP?

Also, would Udon do it’s own localization of the sound effects (ala Viz of old or modern CMX) or leave the existing Kanji in tact (aka Tokyo Pop)?

I think having a manga localized and publish would mean more output goes from Studio Udon and not have to wait 4 month periods of publishing. A great comics company that does thier own works and republishes manga. That is a more credible company to work with future artists than a Tokyo Pop because comic readers know that Udon publishes great comics and the buyer is aware of that instead of being ‘scammed’ into buying manga wannabe.

Only if they aquire the rights to republish the Fist of the North Star from the now defunct Gutsoon? That would be for THE WIN!

[System_1]

This sucks.

I can’t believe Udon is leaving here. He was the main reason I came on to this forum. With out him this place is going to go down hill.

T_T

[System_1]

Udon is leaving cuz you people talk to much crap…

What did you guys think? The more you complain the faster hes gonna bring the comic straight to your door? Dicks!

[System_1]

Udon is leaving cuz you people talk to much crap…

What did you guys think? The more you complain the faster hes gonna bring the comic straight to your door? Dicks!

More thinking he might actually try to set things right and organise everything properly rather than keep letting it drift. Sorry but we aren’t here to be suck ups, we have the right to state what is wrong and what is right. Udon’s a fucking business, you don’t go to a store and say how wonderful everything is because you’re worried about them leaving the cashier on you or closing up.

Here’s what Udon told us the other day, they don’t give a shit about their customers.

When we were all happy Erik supplied us with lots of info and such. When the critisicm got greater suddenly he was in the shadows and the criticism did start to outweigh the praise a fair bit at times. That’s when as an organisation you realise something’s up.