Twelve can do xcopy combos on all characters in the game, but it involves him doing A.X.E as an anti-air.
I agree taunt is underused.
SA2 is only good if you have the mk sjc combo down 100%. I used to think it was a good move to punish things on reaction, but the truth is for most of the cast, against good players, there just won’t be many opportunities to apply it.
been out of the game for a looooong time (1 year at least) and just got my GGPO/supercade set up. Ive been getting royally stomped by plenty of players. something about online feels ugly though, cant put my finger on it. I guess thats why once the sheen wore off I quit playing. yeah, Ive been told I suck by just about everyone Ive played against, I used to be so good with Twelve! sigh.
Any old videos of your old play?
There should be a video of me vs Joe soon
I found out that a close cMP links into cLP, cMK e sLK if the oponent is crouching. In the same condition, it links into XNDL on Alex, Chun Li, Dudley, Ibuki, Q, Urien, Yang and Yun. It is much hard to do it middle screen than in the corner though.
Not really useful since crouching MP is both down and foward parry but hell I did it accidentally in a match and thought it was cool.
Can anyone tell me the the Pros and Cons of Twelve?
Pros: None
Cons: Everything
Pros: Superb mobility (air dashes, backdash, crouch walk, superjump, wall cling, EX Dive) and okay stun damage.
Cons: Truly pitiful defense, attack damage and combo ability.
This guy. :tup:
sounds like a good pick for Vega player 
Pros: He has decent pokes and a good runaway game. He is a troll character, meaning you have to hit and fly, get a lot of throws in, frustrate your opponent.
Cons: …that’s all he can do. No (convenient) damaging combos, weak stamina(same amount as Chun probably), arguably the most difficult character to be really good with because he requires so much effort just for bits and bits of damage. Yamazaki is probably the closest to have played a “perfect Twelve”, and even he’s only gotten so far…
Pros: Pokes, mixups, mobility, range. XCOPY allows for some Shang-Tsunging, taunt allows for some Reptiling. Also he just looks cool.
Cons: Literally everything else. Damage sucks, combos are tough, and has bad stamina. XFLAT is hard to use effectively (although damned if I’m not still using it).
And much more, I’m sure. Still, it’s a great challenge to try and hold your own with him, which is fun, and once you win with him it’s very satisfying.
Getting back in the mood for 3S thanks to 3SO’s imminent arrival. Saw the match-up list/post and disagreed on a few small things.
vs Elena - As someone who mains Elena and Twelve, I strongly believe this match is 3-7. Yes, b.HK is that much of a pain, in addition to the fact that she has baby Chun properties, the ability to stupid damage off of c.MP, the 3rd best kara throw in the game (I think…below Q and Chun?), and…well, b.HK. Get counter hit with that a few times and, considering your game consists of pokes and throws and that one move beats both, you’ll be facing even more of an uphill battle than you thought you would be when you picked Twelve in the first place.
vs Makoto - It’s 2-8. I’ll hold to that until I die. She wins air-to-air 19 out of 20 times, and the last place you want to be against her is on the ground…but you don’t have a choice. If someone picks Makoto against me, depending on how badly I get ruled I usually pick Elena next round. That said, you get her in a corner or you die, and then you poke and throw and poke until you either win or get karakusa’d/fukiyage’d (whatever her anti-air special is).
vs Oro. I agree with the tier list. 3-7. There’s a pretty good Oro here that both plays smart and plays the match-up, and I still feel like I have a chance. Unfortunately, though, not a good one. I almost recommend getting a life lead, running away, and letting that little troll come to you. (EX/HP) NDL hits him if he does EX projectile and you can still block if it’s early enough and far enough away. If it’s a normal one, just walk under it. Or NDL and eat it if there’s a good life difference. Heck, you can go under it if you time it correctly/get lucky. If he does double-jump shenanigans, just HP the freak. Like nearly every other match, though, he’ll beat you senseless if he gets in.
vs Ibuki. I agree that it’s 4-6. Life difference is nice, and she’s not THAT scary when compared to nearly every other match-up in the game, but she still has more tools, crazy fast mobility, decent stun, and the threat of EX DP. At its absolute best, the match is 4.5/5.5.
Also, I’ll just add this much about Twelve mains…a friend of mine and I were discussing Vega (my main) match-ups in SF4. My favorite quote from him was this: “This match-up is supposed to be 6-4 against Vega, but I swear anything less than 8-2 is easy for you. Hell, 6-4 may as well be FREE.” One, he’s exaggerating and, two, neither him nor I are anything special, but in all honesty you’re playing a character that requires a lot of YOU to win. Because of that, you’ll beat people that just pick characters and play by the books, regardless of the fact that the match-up says 6-4 or even 7-3. Once you start playing people that know the match-up and their character that well, however…then you need to work really effing hard. And you’ll still lose. You’ll cuss. You’ll swear you’ll never play Twelve again. You’ll even pick their character just because you hate losing to it. But in the end, no 3S character is as fun as Twelve.
Twelve is straight ass
reviving thread (even though nobody goes here), my Twelve game has definitely improved. I still get obliterated by average Elena players, Urien, Alex gives me trouble every now and then. the only characters I swear I cannot beat though are the twins and Makoto. Yun is so FREE when I fight him. dive kicks beat everything! I can’t jump, I can’t block, I can’t advance, I can’t get away. Yang is only slightly easier, but only if I 100% capitalize on any mistakes and take advantage of their aggression. Yun is unstoppable.
Did anyone ever mention that twelve’s far mp beats chun back fierce completely. unless you’re right next to her like an idiot, she cannot hit you with back fierce during far strong.
twelve slaps her right in the face.
So I’ve been playing 3rd Strike for a bit now, and I definetly enjoy Twelve the most (even though I’m still terrible with him).
I’m going to a local in 2 weeks and wanted to ask for general advice on what I could try doing with Twelve.
What super is recommended for a beginner and in which situation shall it help?
Is it true that Twelve is more of a hit and run character?
I’d say my defense is better than my offense still (offense is so much more complex than in SF5), so I was wondering if he ‘might’ be a fitting pick for me.
Anything that I should generally look out for?
Thanks in advance. Hopefully I can make Twelve work for myself, even if it is only in casuals
FAI_CW: Where are you from?
I’m from Germany
No shit. I was hoping you were from Southern California so we could meet up. Do you have a Facebook?