I think the giants are only that good online, I lost to xian going 3-2, the first 4 games were fine with only like 1 second delay, but the last game was very choppy and had a 3-4 second delay and it was jsut unplayable, but for him all he had to do was spam grab and missles for game, it wasnt even fair
“Only” 1 second delay, eh?
well w are on opposite sides of the country
almost all my other rounds had no lag at all
Just some ideas to throw around. Alex and Joe at the top? What can Alex do that suddenly makes him so much better? He still gets the shit zoned out of him. Joe is good but I don’t think he has much in terms of mix up potential or anything really tricky. Mostly all he’s got going for him is good movement and damage. His j.C has a slow / bad hitbox too… loses to everything. Polimar should be higher IMO… Tekkaman as well. Batsu is BETTER in this game so he’s definitely higher. Souki also is much improved so I think he should be higher. G.Lightan isn’t as bad as he used to be but he probably still dies to runaway so I can’t say if he’s the worst or not just yet. Otherwise I agree.
If I had to make one (at this point in time) I’d say…
S:
Zero
A:
Polimar, Batsu, Tekkaman Blade, Karas, Tekkaman, Souki, Jun, Joe The Condor, Ippatsuman, Ryu, Y-1, Y-2, PTX, Ken, Chun
B:
Alex, Casshern, Saki, Doronjo, Mega Man, Roll, Frank West, Morrigan, V.Joe, Gold Lightan
I don’t think anyone is terrible in this game from what I’ve seen so far so B is the lowest it goes.
I learned from that online tournament that giants are better online, even though none of my matches lagged. My internet connection is very good. 3-4 second delay is very bad. I never had lag that bad in this game, mostly like 2 second button lag as the worst. If this was offline, I believe you could of got first.
Keits: Your right, it is online. So it doesn’t really count, it just show’s which characters are good online. I should of put a disclaimer about it being an online tournament.
Also, I’m curious to see why quite a few people think Zero is among the best characters in the game. His low HP sucks, and so does his damage output. I think he is a very good character, but I don’t think he belongs in the best tier, maybe the second best tier.
From my view, what he lacks in offensive power he makes up for in offensive options. he’s also fast, and the inviciblity he gains from Rekkoha gives him a lot of leeway for punishing an opponent’s laggy move.
For zero… he has amazing mobility, great damage in the corner, awesome meter building potential. His pokes are among the best in the game, he has an awesome anti-air solution to instant air dashes or any general air approaches. He doesn’t really need to use meter… at all, and since he builds it so well, he can almost always burst late match. His mixups are pretty much unrivaled and very very easy to apply thanks to his ease of getting in. He’s probably got the best set of air normals in the game, tons of options for mixups in the air. His command dashes can be used for safety, evasion, and mix ups / cross ups. All this combined makes a character that sticks to you like glue while continuously putting you in dangerous situations. On top of that he can combo off burst in the corner for over 2 meters of bar so basically he bursts for free. He’s just got everything that makes a character good in this game.
SHOORYUUcan’t comprehend the logic.
lmao SHOORYUUcan’t touch my skill
See: Karas, original TVC.
roll and Karas…team B tier lol
although I honestly think Roll is better than Karas right now.
Karas got a nerf bat right to the goddamn face.
Neh, I think blade is at the top of A, maybe right behind Zero, maytbe above Zero. Blade doesn’t really need meter either to do much damage, not to mention he has a full screen punish, stupid dumb recovery on somethings. This needs more time…maybe after evo a good tier list could be formulated.
Seriously guys. Shoryucan’t make a tier list yet. Still too early.
Good. That way I’ll be the best Roll player around =p.
Yeah, seriously though? I can hold my ground with Roll against Tekkaman and Zero. My team Is Roll / Zero and I rely on Roll way more.
She doesn’t have any “true” mixups, But she’s superfast, and When you’re jumping toward an opponent, I think It’s hard for them to tell weather you’re going to hit them in the air or on the ground. And she’s so tiny and fast, She can punish almost any whiff and charge meter with blockstrings.
I havn’t checked out the Roll section yet, (I’m going now) but I’m doing fine with JUST her ground combo. It’s hellish easy to hitconfirm, (about 4-5 hits to do it depending on how close you are and how many times you mash L and M), and does crazy damage if it connects and you go into mop up -> turbo mop up Even crazier if you have a broom charge and go into turbo after 40 hits in your combo from the regular mop up.
She’s actually perfect for my play style, Normally in games I can get pokes in, but have trouble hitconfirming and comboing. With Roll I can actually confirm consistently in matches.
I think it is a bit of a coincidence that out of the new characters in the US release, Marn’s list places 4/5 of them in the top two tiers.
Only other thing I have to add is that I don’t think JoeC’s jump C has a bad hit box and beats anything I’ve tried it against unless I didn’t get it out fast enough. Right now I think j.C is slow but good.
I’ve had it lose on jump ins but maybe it’s just not active in time. I guess the point is, it’s not hard to anti air him if he air dashes at you. It’s got a tricky cross up though, I like that. Pretty deceptive.
Also to be fair most of the new characters are good. Even Frank may be good in time but he’s definitely the worst of the 5.
Let me give a crack at these tier list shenanigans based only on what I have played so far and some of what people have written.
S:
Tekkaman Blade, Mega Man
A:
Yatterman-2, Ippatsuman, Morrigan, Saki, Ryu, Chun-Li, Jun the Swan, Zero, Joe the Condor
B:
PTX-40A, Ken the Eagle, Karas, Casshan, Polimar, Yatterman-1, Doronjo, Frank West
C:
Soki, Viewtiful Joe, Tekkaman, Roll, Batsu
D:
Gold Lightan
There are lots of reasons, but I am going to bed.
No more tiers please. Its hilarious seeing the fanboyism of certain characters but seriously until they’re played in a real tournament by people that actually know how to play TvC people should just lay off the speculation.
Yeah, I find myself agreeing with Marn’s tier list so far. It seems really accurate although I haven’t seen much of Joe the condor yet.