TvC/MvC2 control and mechanics discussion. Now unlocked as long as you behave!

[Xtrem]

MWC

TvC tournament: 30 players

Marvel 2 tournament: 12 players

Get over it kids. You’ve lost. Either evolve or stfu. I’m getting tired of reading the same stupid trolling issues. We get it. You don’t like TvC. You want Marvel 2.5. Guess what, its not going to happen. Adapt for Marvel 3 or stick with Marvel 2. The 3S and ST players did the same when 4 came out, you can too.

GS chindogg, it’s FACT they think like that, but they won’t admit it.

They will end playing mvc3 anyway, so they just like being troll idiots.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/arcade/562932-marvel-vs-capcom-2/faqs/22349

Here’s that Strider movelist, and you know the button setup. Go ahead and adapt him, don’t forget to account for his charge move, all directional variations of his moves, and his supers.

If you can competently do it, I’d have some sort of newfound respect for you.

Cool, thanks.

**JUST FOR THE GAY TROLLS THAT SAY “LULZ, WITH MVC3 LAYOUT YOU CAN’T HAVE STRIDER, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO ADAPT HIS MOVESET” AND MIYOMEI, HERE’S THE IMPROVED MOVESET FOR STRIDER IN MVC3 BUTTON SCHEME.
**
Ame-no-Murakumo down, down-forward, forward + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Excalibur (air) down, down-forward, forward + Attack or Excahnge (no change)
Gram (standing) hcf + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Gram (crouching) hcb + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Gram (air) [In air] hcf + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Vajra down (charge), up + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Kabe Haritsuki down, down + attack (3 variations, improvement)
Warp back, down, down-back Attack + Exchange (no change)
Formation A down, down-back, back + attack (3 variations - another mech animal, improvement)
Formation B charge back, forward + A1 (again to shoot fire) (what’s the antonymous of improvement? well this one is that, lost one variation)
Formation C charge back, forward + A2 (what’s the antonymous of improvement? well this one is that, lost 1 variation)
Formation D charge back, forward + A3 (extra attack, improvement)

*Strider just lost 1 variation from 2 special moves, gained TONS., even gained 2 new attacks.

And with this i just have TOTALLY PROVED the superiority of Mvc3 layout over ANY vs series control scheme. It’s the ultimate control scheme. And i could even add more moves! no joke.

I’m i right? of course i am.

Nominate for article plz.

[ElderGOD]

thanks to (most) of the above for showing how bad chindoggs’ posts have been in these threads. “kids”? “evolve”? please stfu with that if you’re going to be a mod. and all the putting words in peoples mouth? the trolling started and continues mostly from the other posters (mostly tvc heads). so we are sick of it too. like that MWC point is an indicator of anything? even before tvc/sf4 marvel was sorta small in chicago compared to others.

seriously…

EDIT: actually, all posters above correctly called chindogg on his BS. phenomenub, your avatar totally made me think you were xtrem! LOL! I totally ignored the post. then I read it and thought that xtrem was actually making sense…impossible! but then I saw it was a different poster

Seriously, can we get a sticky that says we don’t hate TvC and we aren’t trying to make MvC3 be MvC2.5 because I’m tired of this trolling and words being put in my mouth by posters such as Chindogg. We don’t hate TvC, although you guys are making it really hard for people to keep liking it with the way you’re acting. Is it really that hard to understand that the Marvel vs Capcom series should stick to a Marvel vs Capcom control scheme? Mixup legitimately asked anyone to justify the change from the standard control scheme to the TvC one. No one has done it, you guys are just trolling us. Stop hating on the versus series community. If you guys are going to get a TvC2 subforum, I bet people like Beats/shoutzula/Mixup/etc wouldn’t jump in there and say this scheme sucks use MvC scheme instead. The way people are jumping into a MvC3 subforum and telling people to stop being kids, to evolve, and to stfu and just accept the TvC control scheme in a MvC game is just ridiculous.

[Manny_O]

MWC

TvC tournament: 30 players

Marvel 2 tournament: 12 players

Get over it kids. You’ve lost. Either evolve or stfu. I’m getting tired of reading the same stupid trolling issues. We get it. You don’t like TvC. You want Marvel 2.5. Guess what, its not going to happen. Adapt for Marvel 3 or stick with Marvel 2. The 3S and ST players did the same when 4 came out, you can too.

I don’t understand why you’re talking so reckless when TVC can barely get 30 players in a major. We all know its competitive community is tiny just as its casual fan base is. Nobody’s saying TVC is a bad game, because it definitely isn’t. The fact remains though that at its peak its struggling. TVC is kind of like Virtua Fighter in that it’s widely accepted as a great game, it’s just not that fun to most people compared to other games.

[BeaTs]

Holy shit I thought chindogg was just another troll, but he’s a mod. This is some Scooby Doo bullshit.

other posters have mentioned this before. it’s understandable with keits, he’s so busy and he ain’t as bad. but chindogg is downright repeating the same trolling points. it might be understandable about him not infracting certain posters whom definitely deserve it if he’s too busy, but his posts alone show that it’s probably something else. he’s essentially septimus prime. someone on mod status who should not at all be a mod for reasons that really boil down to the person being someone who picks and chooses and is somewhat childish.

[Kaioshin_Sama]

usual tournament turn out for mvc2 in it’s prime: 200+ players
marvel vs capcom 2 10 years after(in the fkn midwest): 12 players

tvc major in it’s prime: 30 players
tvc players 10 years from now: 0

in other words: Shut the fuck up.

gdlk.

[ElderGOD]

Ame-no-Murakumo down, down-forward, forward + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Excalibur (air) down, down-forward, forward + Attack or Excahnge (no change)

Stopped reading right there. Excalibur has 6 different variations with the 6 standard buttons, 4 with the 4 in MvC2.
The exchange button has special functionality, such as tags, so you can’t use it.

Also Ame innately already has three variations, the lack of easy medium access in MvC2 prevents it.

Also the loss of normals is just as great. I like how you skipped the entire section devoted to the normals. You should have read, even though that isn’t a pro Strider guide. He told you to account for all moves, including directional command, and you have failed as expected.

[Xtrem]

Stopped reading right there. Excalibur has 6 different variations with the 6 standard buttons, 4 with the 4 in MvC2.
.

You’re SUCH AN IDIOT.

I’m OBVIOISLY comparing it with the MvC2 layout douchbag!!! how can you be so stupid!?.

The exchange button has special functionality, such as tags, so you can’t use it.

Oh! are you programming the game? or you know that because…?

For what we know, it’s like dust in gg, and you could use that for some specials.

And you trolls said strider specials couldn’t be adapted in mvc3 scheme, well, there’s it is. it could work perfectly. and it’s IMPROVED.

[ElderGOD]

You’re SUCH AN IDIOT.

I’m OBVIOISLY comparing it with the MvC2 layout douchbag!!! how can you be so stupid!?

Thank you for quoting me saying that the 4 with the 4 in MvC2. Your case only has 3 buttons. Yes, exchange button has special functionality. Read the news articles.

Also, you failed here:

Also the loss of normals is just as great. I like how you skipped the entire section devoted to the normals. You should have read, even though that isn’t a pro Strider guide. He told you to account for all moves, including directional command, and you have failed as expected.

all directional variations of his moves

[Xtrem]

for what we know, exchange it’s AN ATTACK, or what do you consider a launcher?.

It could be used for anything.

So Miyomei, what do you think?

[Death_By_Nines]

This whole thread has gone to shit. I advise the players who have made reasonable posts just leave this crap.

You can’t combat idiocy with words.

[Guy]

You’re not getting what Chin was saying.

MvC2 is slowly dying out. TvC has had more attendees for its tournaments than MvC2 has. It may have had 10x more in the past, but that doesn’t matter now. Related, what’s happening NOW is what matters a large amount to Capcom; they said it themselves, what with presenting a more “recent” roster of characters, interest-wise, while still thinking about the core fans.

And because of TvC being one of their most recent, successful VS game, it was a big enough influence on MvC3.

Beats: Are you reading what you post? You act just the same way as he has, or like most of the trolls here do. You wouldn’t deserve moderator as much as anyone else that regulars here would; and I know for a fact Chin does have some sense, enough to not spew crap everywhere for no good reason.

“Again, more wrong information, people are not asking for MvC2.5, people are asking for elements that have made the series what it is, you had MSH, COTA, XvsSF, MvsSF, MvC1, MvC2, etc. When someone just says MvC2 and ignores these past games it just makes it look like you’re trolling and don’t care at all about the series in general.”

Certainly isn’t what this forum’s been telling me.

[ElderGOD]

for what we know, exchange it’s AN ATTACK, or what do you consider a launcher?.

It could be used for anything.

So Miyomei, what do you think?

Exactly what I wanted you to say. When you did that, you used the 3 buttons and you said yourself that the exchange is just an attack button. Why? Because it’s impossible without 4 buttons. Now that you transformed the exchange button into a simple attack button, you do realize that what you have is just the MvC2 control scheme and that is what we need. Unfortunately, you will come to realize that the exchange button is not just a simple attack button that you can use as you like and it already has functionality such as tag and directional launch. While you just proved the 4/2 point, I’m happy with either 4/2 or 6/2. I would prefer 6/2 though because not just the versus series, but the SF component uses the 6 button standard attack scheme as well.

[Xtrem]

Exactly what I wanted you to say. When you did that, you used the 3 buttons and you said yourself that the exchange is just an attack button. Why? Because it’s impossible without 4 buttons. Now that you transformed the exchange button into a simple attack button, you do realize that what you have is just the MvC2 control scheme and that is what we need. Unfortunately, you will come to realize that the exchange button is not just a simple attack button that you can use as you like and it already has functionality such as tag and directional launch. **While you just proved the 4/2 point, I’m happy with either 4/2 or 6/2. **

No, exchange been an attack doesn’t make it the mvc2 control scheme.MAKE IT BETTER.

And what we need IS NOT MVC2 layout, we NEED AN EVOLUTION, which is actually the MVC3 layout.

Have you ever played GG? do you know what dust is? well, for what we know, exchange it’s like dust.

Go, learn, and the comeback here to talk.

**While you just proved the 4/2 point, I’m happy with either 4/2 or 6/2. **

My goodness… GOD exists.

MvC3 layout is BETTER, realize it people.

[ElderGOD]

Have you ever played GG? do you know what dust is? well, for what we know, exchange it’s like dust.

Yea, dust and GG combo breakers are not a trait of the versus series that consists of the games I have mentioned over and over.

[BeaTs]

no, you’re not getting what everyone else is saying.

yes, I’m not a mod. good thing I’m not asking to be. do you think things out before you try to make a point? just as well, chindogg probably shouldn’t be either. who knows if he’ll eventually go the same way as septimus prime. I posted very reasonably when these threads started. but the trolls and other general people who can’t read/comprehend/or just repeat stuff (like yourself) do not end. eff it. he’s been mostly spewing (repeating the same crap) in these threads? he really shouldn’t post any being a mod. there’s no reason to a lot of what he posts. did I also say he doesn’t have any sense at all? please read more thoughtfully.

your post doesn’t mean anything. yes recent roster. ok. and. TvC is still practically dead compared to what mvc2 was (and what a successful and more faithful update would be).

tvc is only their most recent TvC game. that’s it. comparatively it is not as successful. even if it was, it has nothing to do with how the game is really and more just of the timing (10 yrs…)

again, you are just another one who is apparently blind, or just not understanding. even when we lay it out for you. even when chindogg’s rehashed post (pretty much trolling) is here to see.

eldergod: why are you bothering with that fool? he’s just repeating the same points he tried making earlier that were crushed. everyone has ignored him, you probably should too. his trolling is not getting infracted (so far) and more likely you will get infracted by chindogg.

[Xtrem]

Yea, dust and GG combo breakers are not a trait of the versus series that consists of the games I have mentioned over and over.

Well, better start accepting it, because you will get MUCH more from those series in MvC3. Just like in tvc. And there’s nothing bad with it tbh.

But, just to make sure, can you tell me what dust is?

Then you would probably will understan how strider moveset i post is correct, and how it will work in mvc3

[Manny_O]

You’re not getting what Chin was saying.

MvC2 is slowly dying out. TvC has had more attendees for its tournaments than MvC2 has. It may have had 10x more in the past, but that doesn’t matter now. Related, what’s happening NOW is what matters a large amount to Capcom; they said it themselves, what with presenting a more “recent” roster of characters, interest-wise, while still thinking about the core fans.

And because of TvC being one of their most recent, successful VS game, it was a big enough influence on MvC3.

Beats: Are you reading what you post? You act just the same way as he has, or like most of the trolls here do. You wouldn’t deserve moderator as much as anyone else that regulars here would; and I know for a fact Chin does have some sense, enough to not spew crap everywhere for no good reason.

“Again, more wrong information, people are not asking for MvC2.5, people are asking for elements that have made the series what it is, you had MSH, COTA, XvsSF, MvsSF, MvC1, MvC2, etc. When someone just says MvC2 and ignores these past games it just makes it look like you’re trolling and don’t care at all about the series in general.”

Certainly isn’t what this forum’s been telling me.

TVC may be the more recent game, but it’s certainly nowhere near as popular as MVC2 was when it first came out. MVC2 was so good that it rejuvinated the dying arcade scene for a few years. What everybody here wants except for some is MVC3 building on MVC2’s foundation and not just building on TVC with some MVC2 elements thrown in. Everybody wants this game to be successful, and it’s pretty obvious that it will be in terms of sales. The only thing we’re worried about is having MVC3 be game that can have a lifespan of more than just the 1 year where its novelty will carry it.

Simplification of a working system can easily lead to a shallow game. As much as people hate Smash here, melee and brawl is a perfect example of what can happen. Melee’s depth was an accident as everybody knows, just like MVC2’s seemingly endless depth was. The hype for brawl was immense and when it was finally released the community ended up being split between people who embraced the new shallow game, and those who just kept playing melee. For a while everybody played it(a couple months), but eventually more people went back to melee and the brawl community shrank tremendously when it could have been enormous. I’m pretty sure none of you want the same thing to happen to MVC3.

[BeaTs]

thank you for posting much more reasonably than I am able to right now, manny_O. but (and the main reason why I don’t put much effort into my posts on here anymore), I’m sure that post will either be ignored, misunderstood, or be pointless in the long run of these threads. and/or you’ll get further trolled.

I need to stop getting baited/trolled. ugh zzzzzz

[Xtrem]

Simplification

When are you going to get in your head they’re not simplificating ANYTHING? they’re improving the system.

i’ll bump once the strider moveset so you can see how it’s an improvement.

“”"**JUST FOR THE GAY TROLLS THAT SAY “LULZ, WITH MVC3 LAYOUT YOU CAN’T HAVE STRIDER, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO ADAPT HIS MOVESET” AND MIYOMEI, HERE’S THE IMPROVED MOVESET FOR STRIDER IN MVC3 BUTTON SCHEME.
**
Ame-no-Murakumo down, down-forward, forward + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Excalibur (air) down, down-forward, forward + Attack or Excahnge (no change)
Gram (standing) hcf + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Gram (crouching) hcb + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Gram (air) [In air] hcf + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Vajra down (charge), up + Attack (3 variations, improvement)
Kabe Haritsuki down, down + attack (3 variations, improvement)
Warp back, down, down-back Attack + Exchange (no change)
Formation A down, down-back, back + attack (3 variations - another mech animal, improvement)
Formation B charge back, forward + A1 (again to shoot fire) (what’s the antonymous of improvement? well this one is that, lost one variation)
Formation C charge back, forward + A2 (what’s the antonymous of improvement? well this one is that, lost 1 variation)
Formation D charge back, forward + A3 (extra attack, improvement)

*Strider just lost 1 variation from 2 special moves, gained TONS., even gained 2 new attacks.

And with this i just have TOTALLY PROVED the superiority of Mvc3 layout over ANY vs series control scheme. It’s the ultimate control scheme. And i could even add more moves! no joke."""

How is that simplication?!

[Miyomei]

for what we know, exchange it’s AN ATTACK, or what do you consider a launcher?.

It could be used for anything.

So Miyomei, what do you think?

You swapped his moves around, did not account for wall moves or supers, and used the same number of buttons that MvC2 currently has.

I do not think they will allow the exchange button to be used for special move variations, so I consider the reworking invalid. It was a good try, though.

If I am completely wrong and they work it out like that, I’ll eat my hat (on video).

EDIT: I think they should purge this forum entirely.