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If you master LK SSB timing you could just juggle into lk duck upper or ex straight something.

Fei’s Flame kicks are 5 framers, I will teach in the tut anti backdash/DP safe jumps with j.HK
but for now, you can go to training mode
>record dudley c.MK then do a jump in HK in a way so that it’s not meaty, but when fei wakes up it will hit him on his back shoulder.
like a cross up but not.
if you do it right on playback it will whiff / beat all of fei’s DPs and beat ex wing.

after that if he techs it’s up to Oki 1. if not oki 2 with the same set up or oki 1 again.
you’re going to have to master SSB timings.
also if he backdashes he can punish mk / hk ssb but not LK. that’s with perfect timing tho
GL
wait for tut

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Well spaced mk ssb works great too, both should be used if the guy knows the matchup, both catch/avoid any flame kick and any chicken wing. Do it as soon as he stands, learn the timing it’s hard but worth it.

LKSSB is spacing friendly because it’s safe on block.

Right timing and spacing will get you for both ssbs (there are “other” timings too where different stuff might happen lol, like getting stuffed by lkcw, or whiffing lk flame kick, this is “my” timing)

LK flame kick will get hit by LK SSB, juggle with whatever you want, as for MK SSB it juggles them all.

all other flame kicks whiff on LKSSB except for LK, but you get quite a few frames to S.HK cancel him tho

For LKSSB and MKSSB Ex chicken wing eats a counterhit, enjoy it, but LK CK and MK will get YOU counterhited, but MKSSB beats all of them.

If the Fei player is doing this, he knows the match up and is willing to take risks, but as you can see you can mix both SSBS and cause havoc to Feis that acually know the matchup

all normals stuffs it, but if it’s getting stuffed by c.lk the retard don’t really know what a late tech is.

overall it’s better to use the lk one, mk one is against who knows what he is doing, and its hard to space MK SSB, but the guy who knows what he is doing will c.lp rekka you…

This is essencial for feilong bro, go learn it right away.

and of course, You should be punching his face more than doing this.

delete that entire wall of text.
made no sense
"ssb is spacing friendly"
“mk ssb vs fei”

not tut related and bad

i’ve become overly too dependent on ssb so i try not to use it as often even if it means letting the other guy fadc for free

what if ssb was 0 on block, airbone, unthrowable, and broke armor

Another wall of text, but with actually good info and it might help you brah, do it, don’t be anything but a good Dudley and read it. The interesting stuff start at the third paragraph.

It took me 30 minutes to write this,enjoy it.

First of all I said the lk one is still the better option, just as I said, the fei player should be eating an overhead or a low, instead of you eating or trading into a cw lk with a perfect or almost perfect timed LKSSB, Dudley is all about attacking on wakeup, not countering stuff.

It is not tut related and it’s not bad.

First of all, ex ssb is dangerous, like doing it on rog, if you time it right it will beat ex ck while fully catching his backdash, but whiffs all flame kicks, which is very bad, you won’t recover on time… I’d say normal os ultra him is the better option together with safe jumps, since he is an a**hole and c.mk won’t reach him.

I’m acually surprised you can find someone online who rekkas ssb after a backdash, if you are not theorying, it can get baited bad. a perfect LK SSB (hit all flamekicks allowing juggle, beats ex ck) it gets beat by LK CW most of the time, i’ts hard to time it (I’d say the perfect one slams EXCW right away, allows ducking on all flame kicks and won’t allow anything else but a trade with a cw lk, a Dudley player should bow to another one whom manage to master this) which good spaced ssb you think is the perfect one? (yeah I guess saying it’s spacing friendly was bad, I said it because there is more than one option of timing)

There are actually 3 “perfect versions” or at least acceptable ones for LKSSB

the one that allow whiff punishes on all flame kicks, gets beat by lk cw, allows you to hit ex cw with an ex ducking
the one that hits and allows ducking straight on all flame kicks, trade or beat lk cw, slams EX CW sometimes allowing ex ducking to hit
the one that allows LK and MK flame kick to be ducked (mess a frame and mk whiffs, but I guess that is still good) whiffs all the other ones, allows ex cw to be ex ducked, lk cw beats it.

Sometimes the ex flame kick will just whiff, and that is it, there is no need to understand that at all.

doens’t matter which one you “pick” really, you will see all of those going on unless you are a robot.

Now for the MKSSB, I can pull it off out of his c.lp range, it will juggle even EX CHICKENWING with normal ducking straight (or a very damaging counterhit if I time it “badly”) and only ex flame kick is whiff punishable which is great in any case… That is how bad ass it is, but just like LK SSB, crazy hard to time it to juggle it all while beating LK CW, when they know the matchup they will use it, plus I never got LK SSB to juggle EX CW with ducking straight

truly the only problem is that you must do it too far away, you might be able to trick a good fei for a few matches, and them they will just know you are not in oki reach and just block so he doens’t get ex ssbd if backdashing, now this is theory, a feilong never noticed when I mix things up here with ssb.

if a lk cw is beaten, most of the time all flame kicks will beat ssb, if you manage to hit LK CW and flame kicks, you can’t juggle with straight no other flame kick but the ex one (that is how weird and fuc* up the timing is) if you TRADE with lk cw, congratz, that is the “true perfect” timing, the trade damage worth, and you still can straight juggle them and ex whiffs.

Btw you said

“If you master LK SSB timing you could just juggle into lk duck upper or ex straight something.”

And

“also if he backdashes he can punish mk / hk ssb but not LK. that’s with perfect timing tho”

**all of them can be punishable by backdash rekka… **must be canceled as soon as you recover from the backdash tho, which is mad bait-able into a neutral jump.

Actually saying ssb is space friendly (glad I didn’t say timing friendly, then I would just quit from quoting you and would delete the wall of text) was one of the most stupid things I ever said as a Dudley player, you can get so many variations just by missing an inch or a frame… Damn. you can make EX CK get hit before fei even leaves the ground as a counterhit, and sometimes get him high enough for you to ultra him, which makes mk and hk flame kick whiff and then something else hits.

A good fei player I play btw, aside from hiting me with ck lk once in a while will do a non reversal flame kick when things are not ugly for his side I think, it’s a “guess” that works as good as ssbing a reversal uppercuter freak.

And “glad” it’s not on tut, or sad I guess, but since that would be a hella lot of time and work to explain something that a good player should go find out by themselves, learn the matchup for real, yeah, keep up the good work, just saying it was safe against backdash rekka was bad, but I guess I said worse stuff after all.

I think you aren’t looking at EX SSB the right way. This goes into yomi and all that stuff but:

Fei player either knows SSB wrecks his shop or has learned that SSB wrecks his shop
Fei player now backdashes on wakeup
Dudley player uses EX SSB to catch back dash

Essential you only do EX SSB if the Fei player is backdashing and you are too lazy to do an anti-backdash OS. It is safe on block against Fei and safe against flame kicks, even though you don’t recover in time to punish, you yourself aren’t punished. You don’t just use it.

As you have said LK SSB is the “better option”, and no matter what the benefits/followups of MK SSB are, it still doesn’t change the fact that it loses to backdash and BLOCK. SSB should be used within range of Oki 1.

Hard links, frame tight setups, and near perfect timing all comes with the territory of keeping it classy. Dudley is not an easy character to learn let alone master. I hold myself to a high standard and practice said timings, setups, links, etc. all the time. Saying something is unrealistic because of the execution/timing requirement is bad. A perfect timied LK SSB is safe against backdash rekka, hell even a not-so-good timed LK SSB is safe against backdash rekka. MK SSB sure isn’t safe against backdash or block, that move takes forever and a half to finish.

Actually I think that you aren’t looking at SSB correctly. SSB is meant to:

cover what Oki 1 and 2 can’t cover.
completely avoid a reversal and punish
completely avoid a reversal and hits airborne opponent
completely avoid reversal and leave Dudley at frame advantage thereby:
keeping momentum on Dudley’s side or otherwise not granting momentum to the opponent

Just because you don’t get to juggle off of SSB every time isn’t the end of the world. Use SSB to compliment Oki and to counter opponent’s tendencies.

You are joking about the LK SSB part beeing safe to backdash rekka right? it is not, not even a perfect timed one like I said (beating and putting all flame kicks in juggle state, catching all chicken wings) if they backdash and rekka right away you are the one eating those rekkas!

it’s not even funny commenting this and not testing it man, you have to do it so far away that a retard Fei would wakeup with something, more far away than mk ssb itself, and it whiffs if he blocks standing and EX CW beats it if it’s safe to rekkas… MK SSB does not

If it touches him while standing, it will beat everything, but backdash rekka hits.

Yes, ssb don’t need to be perfect all the time, but keeping it plain and simple, to catch both ck and flame kicks, you are not safe to backdash rekkas, if they do backdash rekka, do the LK SSB closer than necessary, and make sure to neutral jump once in a while, they can’t see the jump before it’s too late, backdash rekka is a crazy guess gimmick, once you backdash you are double tapping and committed.

That or incompletely avoidance of a much used reversal…

About ex ssb, better stick to some kinda of os, if it catches the backdash and just plain dodges EX CW you are not even safe from a s.hp from fei against any of the flame kick

If it catches EX CW with one hit while also catching his backdash (too god damn robotic for a human, like all this stuff about SSB) flame kicks will punish just the same

So what this means, you must only EX SSB glued on Fei’s face as soon as he stands,it beats EX CW with one hit, catches his backdash, but you still get sweeped or everything else if he flame kicks with everything except with the EX

Do ultra 2 OS on him, using ex ssb on him is kinda stupid, wild guess, just like using it on sagat and then he whiffs an uppercut and you are still there swinging, Rose should fear ex ssb, so many others, not feilong, but he sure needs to fear pretty much any ssb

Writing that was tiring man, but I kinda knew this for a while, while hiting all the flame kicks and being safe to rekka you are not safe to EX CW.

Thank you for reading and sharing btw, waiting for Thirtyfour exceptional monologue.

you guys… take it easy man, relax

filtered
no tut next week
pain doesnt even f.HK s.HK

don’t take what he says seriously he thinks he understands the tut and my posts but he’s wrong.
Because I dont understand my posts

@Annual
Move more
jump more.
get in range to do damage
learn better offense / defense

If you’re not going to come at me I’ll come at you. Remember you dont want that.

Lol its the same thing everyone tells me. Keep waiting for the opponent to do their gameplan instead of trying to force my own. But yeah, I’ll take your advice sir. Appreciate it.

brb guy just did j.hp into overhead, i see where u get that brb gonna absorb some knowledge and implement like truest dudley

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Not everyone can be so…mellow…

Not everyone wants to get chicken winged in the face thinking they are safe from backdash rekkas, the monologue was much expected, hope I just cleared some minds.

You’re trying to push your (bad) experience onto others.

I gave everyone here tools to use with the tut. If people aren’t going to use them then I dont want to see peopel share how (bad) their experience was.
You were the same way pain (still are). You’d come here and ask, give your nod and leave never even playing the game.
Lv 1 dudley giving advice to another lv 1 dudley about OSs and oki when you still hit confirm into c.MP.

afk

i’m not so… mellow, but at least i’m not a reewind and know how to deal with simplest of things, if this was about bison, chun, vega, gief, etc etc etc then i wouldn’t be so mellow, but since it’s about fei long i’m gonna stay mellow wwwwwwwww

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - i’m just being me

wwwwww

You gave the tools, on the post 1001 sure, deduct a level from youself, ima start monologuing too.

All I meant was, beat all his reversal tools, says whatever to backdash rekka, its not safe to it and get you in both mixups ranges, and then bait into neutral eventually if the dumbass keep doing such thing. Who read it and understood it, did more than that your post, that I can guarantee.

I did test. I always test before I post. Just retested not too long ago and you were right about LK SSB not being safe against backdash rekka. My timing must have been off (4 am timing ftw). It would be nice to play a character that can cover every option (lolSeth), but we don’t. Still, EX SSB covers backdash, HK and EX flame kick, and chicken wing.

Regardless
Thirtyfour’s thread
shouldn’t have said anything
At a loss for words

SSB still gdlk

yeah, it’s his thread, should keep stuff the way they were, but he comment about something wrong, I should help right? I did, because at least you did go to training mode and figure it out.

SSB is still gdlk

@mellow, thanks for sharing, but unless we want this thread to become fei’s thread we better stop at arround here… lol

fei’s free on wake up
ssb > fei long
st.HP beats feis pokes (learned this the hard way because i DON’T use st.HP in my arsenal)
whiff punish unspaced rekkas (st.HK xx, st.HP) i like using cr.mp on fei long when he whiffs cr.hp (i like to cr.mp xx in general)
safe jump is free oki 2 is really good, ssb him like before he can even do a reversal, iirc he can’t rekkas you if he backdashes, it beats or flame kicks and you’ll get free juggle
if you can react to mid screen chicken wing (any version just react with st.hp or st.HK or ultra 2)
chicken wing isn’t full inv, remember its nerf, it’s not stupid anymore, fei has less options than before but is still good, take advantage
don’t let fei long jump, he can create pressure fairly easy

brb training mode