Transformers 3

General Discussion
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All of the above are just negative nancy type issues that only overly critical fools frothing at the mouth to hate on something, and failing to fully appreciate a flick, will latch onto.

2nd movie i won’t argue, terrible. 1st however was decent all-around and a respectable live-action TF treatment, and the 3rd was pretty darn good from a fanboy standpoint. No doubt the average movie goer will think its frigging’ amazing.

DOTM deserves all the millions it will make because despite its flaws, its still a well-made, top-tier action movie.

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Its crazy that this movie damn near made all its budget money in one weekend.
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My bad, the post wasn’t clear.

The Fallen is a bad ass character due to the TF Mythos. The unfortunate thing is that basically he was underused in the movie. He was actually introduced in the Dreamwave Comics (War Within: The Dark Ages - Issue 1). In the backstory the fallen was one of the first 13 Transformers created by Primus (The Creator/ with his physical essence as Cybertron) to combat Unicron and oversee the creation of the Transformers race while he was in planet mode. The Fallen (Original name never shown) became obsessed with destruction and evil and got in touch with Unicron. When he became his disciple, Unicron ordered him to corrupt Primus. When he failed, Primus sent both he and Unicron into a void, not returning until the comic I previously mentioned.

Now Unicron is the split reproduction of The One’s original Unicron (yes, you read that right, he is his own daddy). His brother, Primus, was created to manage order, Unicron was to manage chaos. Eventually, Unicron wanted control of the universe(s) and fought Primus in the Astral Plane (AKA Robot Heaven). Primus won, but he escaped vowing to return.

Even though this seems EPICTICIOUS, adding a giant planet that transforms into a robot is just a little much in a live action movie. You can create the same sense of bad assery without him being planet sized. I am not against having Unicron featured in his greatest incarnation, but I am not clamoring to have it either. Think about it, there are things that are related to the series that are discussed that are not featured. The biggest one that I can think of is mass shifting (in the sense of 22 ft tall Robot into USB drive). This was removed for the sake of realism, as too many gimmicks can destroy grasping the live movie concept, as you want the audience to believe it is possible. You already have transforming alien robots, then you tack on Transforming alien robots that change into items that are 90% smaller than their primary combat mode.

Now lets throw Unicron in there. He’s a robot, that is the physical manifestation of The Devil, that eats consumes planets in his wake that transforms into a planet. By the way, he’s a multiversal being, meaning he defies our laws of space/time on his own. Not seeing this happening in the old G1 way for a live action movie. If you want to see him as a planet, I got a feeling you’ll be stuck watching the 86 movie, cause this is what the crowd’s gonna be thinking in their mind:

Why does he need to be a planet, make him a starship or something that’s useful. Cause all he is is an uninhabitable planet that’s pissed unless he’s consuming your world.

THEY GETTING ARAB MONEY!

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And that makes all of the difference. There was more personality displayed for the Autobots. Cons, other than they’re evil, you don’t get alot from anyone outside the core group. While I am disappointed with Megatron, I think that Starscream was a pretty solid interpretation of the character. I mean, he wasn’t exactly non-bitch in the series.

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This is especially true in the second movie, where Megatron kicks starscream’s ass all over the joint.
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So is that what I am, then? An “overly critical fool frothing at the mouth to hate on something”?

Or could it be, just MAYBE, that subjectivity isn’t as bulletproof as your parents lead you to believe? A film can be likable but legitimately bad when viewed critically (read: logically), just like an opinion can be validly deductive, yet bad, via weak premises.

Or is this the part where you scream the cliche’ “Opinions can’t be wrong! Duh!”, too?

Grow up, man. The very things you want to dismiss as “negative nancy” issues are some of the very things that make a film worth watching. All three of these movies follow the same formula.

No one’s forcing you to hold yourself, or your entertainment to a higher standard, but don’t go shitting on others for wanting to do these things.

627

man I remember almost puking during that scene. IMAX + SPINNING = NOT COOL BAY, NOT COOL

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It’s funny how the people who complain about continuity or characters personality are the for the most part the same people that don’t keep up with current transformers or comic book issues.

T3 was good, a couple things where lame, like the love interest and megaton toward the end of the movie. However for the most part , it was a visual feast for your eyes. I saw in “2d” 1st gonna check out IMAX next

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I was not looking forward to watching the third movie at all, and went in with powerfully low expectations. I thought the second movie was absolutely mindless drivel~ and yet the third movie, to me~ felt like an actual Transformers movie. Sure, the Transformers weren’t at the forefront of the film, like they should have been~ but we’re just going to get that movie this generation. I came to terms with that after the first film.

People just aren’t going to make a movie where 80% of the dialogue or character development is going to be based on these CG characters~ despite that, this third movie felt like it celebrated the Autobots and Decepticons more than the previous two, and I went into an action movie to not be disappointed by that aspect at all.

I think those who held this movie in such contempt, already went in there to do it~ or didn’t actually see it. Even my close friends who hated the previous two, found a lot to enjoy about this last movie. I suppose I count myself lucky that despite my cynicism~ I was still allowed to enjoy what was still, a very entertaining film.

After watching this movie, I did pop in the original animated movie~ and I’m sorry, despite how powerful the voice work was in the original and how nostalgic it was~ a lot of it was silly and inane. Dinosaur robots showing up out of nowhere. Transformers dying without even knowing who they were, disposing them completely. Characters that weren’t even in the show, with no background now becoming the stars of the film? Let’s get something straight~ we look at the Transformers with rose colored glasses, but it was a paper thin show with a lot of heart~

I feel the third film had the heart necessary to be considered just as much a Transformer’s product than any other. For all the current Transformer’s fans I know~ who love this show too, they are glad this movie existed. Whenever Cullen speaks~ it’s a commanding presence. Could this franchise be better? Sure, so could anything really~ even Lord of the Rings could have been better. Nothing is flawless. But I choose to celebrate the virtues of entertaining media, and TF3 did not disappoint in that department.

For everything people say about this movie~ and this franchise, and for all my negative feelings of this film~ I still melt anytime I watch this movie and listen to this.

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It reminds me of a time where I looked up to robots that were larger than life~ and when I sat in the theater to watch this series, nobody here could say these characters were anything but.

If that was somehow not the same for you, then enjoy your adulthood~ and try not to miss the fact you got to see Optimus Prime on the big screen fly past you in the attempt to be critically correct. I think the Transformers fan you were when you were young would have completely disagreed with you.

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Holy shit, I’m laughing at work and looking like an asshole…thanks.

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I disagree with something in here, not liking it can have little to nothing to do with nostolgia or stupid expectations. I think the 38% it has on RT is actually pretty accurate…as a movie it just isn’t good in any vein, as a standalone movie its like a 10%, BUT having 20’ transforming robots automatically raises the cool factor 25%.

The series as a whole was not good. It wasn’t as bad as people try to make it - it suffers from not following canon (but there are too many canons anyway) - and for taking things to far left…such as the ‘look’. There are people who are going to shit on it because Megatron isn’t a gun (though they DO pay homage to it in the first one)…but some people shit on it because it just wasn’t awesome - and they feel lthey have to shit on it to get the attention they need to voice that it wasn’t that great. If you subtract the special effects, your left with an unidentifaible good guy team with only two characters (prime/Bumble Bee) and a group of bad guys as generic as possible. No role/actor actually stood out with a good performance to sell the movie, none of the ‘actors’ made us really care for them, the villain didn’t draw any like or dislike and existed purely as a counterpoint to the main character…Megatron (and his later superiors) never had that Darth Vader overwhelming sense of power/evil. We were effectively spoon fed action sequences ofone of the two good guys for 3 movies - with very weak and poorly supportive ‘filler’ scenes to tie it all together.

My ‘beef’ with the ‘serieis’ as a whole is not the derivative from the source, but that they created something with so much potential, but fialed to live up to any of it short of the special effects. I would have rathered they do some stupid Transformers the animated movie schtick and turn Megatron to Galvatron to make him strong enough to keep up with ‘leadership’ Prime - than to go down the road of trying to introduce progressively strong bad guys who ultimatly serve as cannon fodder for the all powerful Optimus. the ‘yin-yang’ of Optimus/Megatron isn’t explored past the first movie - leaving Megatron an empty devoid bad guy leader like you see in typical B-grade action movies (think of the guy with the changing eye in Last Action Hero). Starscream had ‘moments’, and IMO is the only villain to get enough fleshing out to be passable. This can be said of the good guys as well- as the banter typically associated with good guy character team was lacking all series - for a good reason - it cost too much to animate - but at hte expense at the quality. Remember growing u pas a kid and talking with your friends ‘well if I was a DBZ character I would be Vegita or Piccolo!’? NO KIDS are going to want to be anyone BUT Prime or bumblebee - not becuase other charact3ers aren’t storng enough, they just weren’t fleshed out enough. It might as wel lbe Shredder and a bunch of foot soldiers verse Leonardo Michaelangelo.

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@Unreal: A lot of those reviews are from people who actually think T3 is just like T2 and i have to ask, did they watch the same movie. All the problems that 2 had was little to non-existent in 3.
I can at least respect your gripes with the series cause it seems like you enjoyed it but wasn’t thrilled with it like everyone else was but i’m telling you the majority of people hating on this movie in particular are either
A. riding the Bay hatewagon
B. are making the dumb stuff that this movie had bigger than what it was
C. Still think the G1 stuff was oh so better.

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I wonder how a reboot would fare if Bay was still director, but the writers were the writers for Beast Wars.

Gotta check out TF Animated.

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It was aight. These movies live up to their summer blockbuster status, but they are ass.

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TF Animated is either love it or hate it…I personally love it. You gotta look past the animation style, which isn’t a big deal since this IS a kid’s show, and try to enjoy the characterizations and stories.

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T3 WAS like T2, but like I said previously, they toned down the dumb shit, it doesn’t however change the almost identical storyline, means, and methods. the details changed, but ultimatly we still have the humans doing the 100 yard dash thru decepticons to get to something, unimportant transformers on both sides making up 95% of the robotic cast, and forgetable human aspects that brought little ot the table.

I’m a realist, I understand budgeting and scheduling well (its what I do for a living) - I’m also an artist - so I’m looking at the movie as what they could have done under the same constraints, and they didn’t do as good a job as they couldn’ve done…and thats prolly my most unfair and honest gripe, the movie isn’t as good as it could have been under the same rules. With the same budgeting, same baseline established form the previous two transformers, same voice actors, all of it, a better job could have been done. I do NOT blame Bay as the issues extend beyond him, he has people to answer to as well, so if they want a Ferrari in it, then there wil lbe a Ferrari in it. But money was wasted trying to make the number of robots larger, instead of spending it on estblishing a deeper connection with the robots we already have. It felt like Prime was Johny-5 and everyone else well hadn’t been struck by a lightening bolt.

The movie wasn’t a good movie because it wasn’t a good movie. Nothing that makes a movie good was captured here. It has nothing to do with the source material and everything to do with just making a good movie. Character development? Intriguing story? Plot twist (meh)? Suspense? The action itself wasn’t even great for an action movie…wih slow down on par with the 300 abuse of double speed cameras. It DID improve upon the previous entry. But that in itself doesn’t make it the second coming of Jurassic Park or Avatar.

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The forgettable aspect that didn’t bring anything was the whole human working with Decepticons which could’ve been done better. Sam’s story worked to me at least you could understand his feeling of saving the world twice and then being put to wayside. T3’s plot flowed a hellavu lot better than T2 and made sense to boot.

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Sam’s part made sense, but needs a 4th part to really be brought into focus, however while his ‘story’ made sense, he wasn’t necessary and served primarily as cost cutting filler - i.e. we can’t make a pure C.G. transformers movie. I thought it was a joke when someone said that if you fast foreward past all the ‘human only’ scenes in TF2 - that it became washable. I subsequently went to redbox and performed the experiement to a much desirable effect. I think this movie will be parallel to that.

Now, I am not saying they shouldn’t have human only portions, I am saying that the parts there were there, didn’t positiviely contribute…I mean really the love nangle behind the Section 7 guy? Really was that necessary? He didn’t even serve a purpose for this movie. In fact did anything credible happen with human only kinteraction? Anytime there was a human only scene, it turns up the information divuldged we would learn form the TFs ANYWAYS…you honestly should be able to cut hte humans out and make complete sense out of a 30 minute movie.

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^that’s the biggest problem any one of these movies has. Too many human characters doing pointless shit. I wouldn’t mind them having so much screen time if they were actually DOING something.

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hahaha i do what i can.