Tournament Promoters and venues to avoid!

They have a history of not paying the players(including Japanese players) and skimming off the top of the pot. And last year, EmoGear(The owner of Planet Zero) took the cowardly way out during the GGAC SBO qualifiers and actually kicked off a member of the winning team, who was from out of state, and inserted his own man(from Houston) on the team.

The Smash community didn’t fair too well either.

Enough of that, here is the evidence of his wrong doing:

PZ’s SBO caper: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=158247&highlight=SBO

The Smash Community’s problem: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6080360&postcount=14228

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Guess they didn’t want to be on the list… :bgrin:

Game Wars is South Florida based not NY

Fixed the Gamewars location. I didn’t realize I put NY instead of FL.

And the DiZE LAN issue’s been mostly resolved. The issue seems to be just a big misunderstanding and they’re most certainly on watch. They screw up again and they’re on the list for good.

Did WCG ever pay Arturo for getting 2nd at that cyber club thing? I remember before Evo he was still trying to get that money.

I recall that MLG used to have issues with paying players back when they were doing Tekken & Soul Calibur tournaments. Wouldn’t throw them on the list right now, but just FYI.

Alright then, enough with the maybes, here is a certainty: I would definitely add DancingFighterG to this list. In case you don’t know, he’s a tournament director in Colorado who, I shit you not, begins every single one of his posts with “Yo, this is DancingFighterG.” He’s involved with something called the National Video Game Association and its annual anime/gaming convention, NVGA Supercon.

He has botched a number of tournaments in the past, to the point where much of the Colorado scene refuses to attend his events, but what really cements his place in this thread is his handling of SC4 Nationals.

At first, this was supposed to be a more collaborative community effort, but somewhere along the line it was placed under the control of DancingFighterG and NVGA, who wanted to make the tournament a centerpiece of Supercon. Supercon seemed like a convenient location with a convenient date, and DFG was a long-time Soul Calibur player with roots in the community, so it all sounded like a good idea at first. He promised a guaranteed prize pool of at least $4k, and even said that with sponsors it would likely be more.

At the actual event, however, all kinds of major problems arose. For the sake of brevity, I’ll only mention the two that outright qualify as “shady”:

  1. Going against the community’s wishes, DFG allowed anyone to enter Nationals for $20. To understand why this would be shady, you have to realize that Nationals was an SBO-style event with regional qualifiers used to determine the final bracket. Some players flew out to qualifiers, or drove to three different ones before finally making it in, so this was basically a giant “fuck you” to those people.

Since some very strong non-qualified players (e.g. French, Koreans) traveled to this event, the community had voted to run a last chance qualifier where the top 4 would move on to the actual Nationals bracket. But DFG just ignored all that and let anyone in. This was probably done to make the turnout look a little more impressive and to fatten the pot. The latter is an especially important point because…

  1. …remember that $4k+ prize pool I mentioned? Yeah, try like half of that. The actual payouts ended up being $1k for 1st, $600 for 2nd, $300 for 3rd, and $100 for 4th.

If you’re interested in reading more about these and other ways DFG & co. fucked up (Loud techno music & flashing bright lights during tournament matches! Waiting hours in between matches!), take a look at THIS THREAD. The first couple posts and the last two on that first page are a nice start, and it only gets better from there…

EDIT: Oh yeah, since most of SRK doesn’t care about Soul Calibur, I’ll give you another example from an HD Remix tournament at Supercon. In the words of another Colorado player:

"Please know that DFG does not represent the Colorado fighting game scene. There was a small HDR tournament for example, at Supercon, and a player from CO won that. He didn’t get the $250 pot that was listed on most of the Supercon promo stuff. I guess there was fine print somewhere in that horribly-designed website that explained the intricacies of the payout, but that’s just horrible crap in and of itself. This important information shouldn’t be hidden away like that.

Since our local winner of the HDR tournament was not only local but knew enough to be able to confront DFG, he was able pull teeth and get some winnings, but still not $250."

I’m not sure if Arturo ever got paid out the money he should have won.

Damn, that shit is crazy

Any tornament scams in California?

Let me explain something about DFG. DFG is in it for the money, plain and simple. He was attempting to do some sort of “Franchising” thing where the person hosting would give part of their “profits” (because clearly that’s why you host tournaments, to make money) to him, and he’d pay the higher ups. Essentially he was proposing a pyramid scheme, in addition to a ton of shady shit like requiring a certain number of hits on the website to come from an area and legally binding documents, etc.

Honestly I expect that a lot of the missing money that didn’t get paid out to prizes went straight to his pockets.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=209429

Apparently there are still thousands of dollars to pay out…

Oh man, Unicon 2009 was scammed by jerkoff Keough? That dude is going to love prison sex.

I hope these mother fuckers rot. Good job on compiling the list thus far.

Incredible that that John dude tried to rob some lady at gunpoint.

iirc second place prize was a camera, which he never received.

even if he received it now, its value would be… like 80-150 dollars.

really? a camera? wtf?

Yeah he screwed us over, and we brought him a ton of equipment, staff and games - lost $1800 of our equipment, and it took me 8 hours of negotiating with him on the phone to pay out to Legacy for their flights to MLG Dallas - this dude didn’t cover their winnings and tried to hide it by removing the post, but Triforce had the info saved.

That was a mess…

Between my company, the hotel the partner from Game Universe he screwed over and the winners he owed money to - he must of snapped which led to this incident.

Here’s the video link of his holy crap fantastic voyage to jail

I called Empire after this happened and I think my words to Tri were “brotha, I don’t think he ever sent any checks” I told Triforce “he’s got arrested” Triforce replies “Don’t beleive that shit man, he is lying to you” LOL I laughed and told “no, no he is in jail - here is the video”

We all got screwed by this guy. Up until before this happened he was trying to get money scammed out of some of the folks who sponsor us on our shows…O_O

Not havin’ that!

Anyone else have any other news on the Keough RapeTrain

yeah cash prize and a tv for first? (i believe justin did get the cash, not sure on the tv) 2nd place was like a camera, 3rd place was something else, i wonder if nestor ever got his prize.

Gonna have to ask Justin, I could of sworn all of those were “Checks” to be delivered at a later date, which of course, never occurred.

disclaimers

YEA always READ what you sign BEFORE you sign it. geez