^ oh no you didnt rikimaru. 
lol
Saying Kyabetsu isnāt that good is a bit silly. Him and Oogosho qualified in the hardest bracket (Shinjuku Nishi, where they beat Iyo/Shiro), were the FIRST ones to qualify for SBO, then beat the #1 team in SBO (Mago/Nemo), and then beat Iyo/Shiro AGAIN.
lol @ calling kyabetsu isnt good
Yeah, Kyabetsuās team just won the first national 3on3 qualifier or whatever, and if he really were that free I donāt think Shiro would want anything to do with him. The actual quote from Fuudo was āhe loses to Mago all the timeā, well no shit who DOESNāT lose to Mago all the time in 4? Like maybe a couple peopleā¦
I really canāt believe how many people are trying to defend single-elim as anything besides a time-saver, though. There have been all sorts of big studies of this stuff in baseball & football, and the tl;dr version is that the actual best team wins the championship less than half the time thanks to single-elim playoffs. As mentioned, 2008 Super Bowl was a classic example: Based on regular-season performance (16-game sample size vs. 2-3 games of playoffs), the Pats were better than almost every SB winner and the Giants were the single worst team ever to win it. And before thatā¦the 2001 Rams were the best team not to win the SB and the 2001 Pats were the worst team to win it.
Modern fighting games tend to require fewer āscoresā (that is, hits) to win than modern football or baseball, so it gets even worse for them. I will say that the opposite is true for games that donāt focus much on combos, like ST/HDRā¦but it seems like those are the only games like that which are still in majors. =/
What determines who the āactual best teamā is though? Regular season record? I donāt want to jump the gun and underestimate youāre studies, so please link them if you can, but like they say in legal commercials, past performance is not guarantee of future results. The pats might as well have guaranteed a victory against the Giants before the SB, and I think its entirely possible they underestimated them. The only thing that matters is who was the better team that day, just like in SF, what matters is who was the better player that match. Itās pretty hard to determine who is the best team, and Iād say even harder in SF to determine who the best player is.
LOL I love when people throw around the āJapanese dick riderā shit just cuz they dont know what they are talking about and someone says something true about Japan.
Ive lived in Japan for 2 and a half years, been to 3 SBO finals, and gone through 2 whole seasons of qualifiers for GG. Regardless of what format it is or what format you prefer, one thing you cant dispute is that the level of play is top notch and these guys are certainly putting their all into it. Simply saying that SBO is not credible or doesnt mean shit just cuz SOME of the games are single elim (most are team format), and that its big and flashy, is just ignorant. The quals are just like any other tournament with lots of players coming out and bringing their A game, with no flash or BS, just good high level play. And the fact that each qualifiying block basically makes you win 2 tournaments before you can get into the finals (you have to win a prelim and then the block finals to get the spot) makes it much more similar to double elim in some ways. You simply just dont see this in the final event.
Im not saying that the format is flawless and that sometimes ārandomā shit might not happen but that can happen in any tournament. The best players are still going to be the ones that advance almost all of the time. Of course coorporate sponsorship is a big part of it and they want it to be a huge show to promote game and magazine sales, but the players are still playing their best because they play for the love of the game, they arnt playing to put money in the hands of the corporations.
And the Romania thing was a joke. All im saying is you shouldnt keep going on so much about something you obviously dont know much about.
Damn, this thread got derailed in the quickness.
Oh well, so yeahā¦Iām excited to see the results this year for 3s and ST. I havenāt kept up with their scene that often but Iām sure this year is gonna be some exciting stuff to be seen.
the SBX kinda thrown me off when I read it, was one of those things you skim through once and have to re-read and double check what you seen. curious though, never really seen that game played at a high level.
Whoās to say the your whole set isnāt completely ārandomā in a double elim?
When I lived in Japan nobody NOBODY played TvC and I went to lots of arcades.
I never saw anybody over the age of 10 playing it, it must be like when we see shit like Melty Blood and it looks like kids stuff so we write it off. The japanese probably think it looks hella gay and childish like Anpanman or something.
Also I predict that in ST at least one if not more of the 3 following players will be in the finals:
Kurahashi Guile, Shooting D, Otochun
I donāt think a bunch of people in this thread realize that in larger Japanese cities (read: Tokyo and Osaka), there are MULTIPLE tournaments every day of the week. When this is the case, single-elim doesnāt really matter. Because even if you get ārandomedā out, you can just stomp the guy the next day. SBO is only single-elim because that is the way 99.9% of tournaments in Japan already run, not to mention the ridiculous time-savings.
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things Iāve ever heard. At no point in your incoherent, rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone here is now dumber for having listened to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
If thatās what it takes to stand out a tournament, Iāll do that this year. Nothing wrong with being creative.
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nevermind.
People here donāt sweat matchups, because you canāt. Its not just the single elim thing, usually you register your character in advance and you are not allowed to change mid-tournament. So looking at SBO 09, letās say Nemo looks ahead in the brackets and sees Gosho and Kyabetsu moving up. Rufus and Viper happen to be two bad matchups for Chun (especially Rufus). He couldnāt say āWell, thatās a crap matchup, so Iām going to switch to Ryuā. Not allowed by tournament rules.
And even if he could, Gosho and Kyabetsu have plenty of experience against Ryu. Unless Nemo can match their experience Vs Ryu, heās probably going to lose worse than if heād picked Chun.
So people here just learn how to deal with bad matchups, because you canāt switch characters anyway, and aside from the tier chart youāre also fighting that personās experience with the matchup.
Thatās just a fundamental problem with any sort of championship series. If you really want to crown the consistently best team, just end the regular season and give the title to the team with the best record. But thatās boring. It doesnāt give the teams a goal to shoot for, nor does it give the fans something to get excited over. As long as we have championships, I donāt think we will ever be able to eliminate upsets or randomness. Plus, people like rooting for underdogs.
Another satisfied customer. :lol:
Relax, youāll be alright. :tup:
But seriously (after reading this thread),
No! I have never been to SBO, and I really wouldnāt want to participate in the kind of format used (S.E) either. Not just because Iām not āhigh levelā (which is overrated IMHO. the attitudes of these players are very very shitty and stuck up -_- )ā¦or because I REALLY HATE ARCADE MACHINES/STICKS (super uncomfortable to me). But itās because Japanese competitive traditions simply donāt intrest me. And I really dislike when people try to carry that bullshit (rules, standards, regulations, and what games considered that āMATTERā) over here to the states (like when there were tournaments for KOF XI all the āconsoleā characters were banned here because Japanese didnāt have them in arcades"ā¦ :rolleyes: , another example is when mbaa first came out to console and people wanted to use āarcadeā mode, instead of originalā¦AND DONāT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WHAT FIGHTING GAMES THAT MATTER). I am sooo happy, that single elimination hasnāt seriously been promoted and agreed upon by fellow srkāers, to be āthe standardā here in the states. And console characters are finally/now being considered as āappropriateā. Itās funny how SF4 made console characters seem ānot so bad/tolerableā. :rolleyes:
But anyways, if Japan is happy with how they do thingsā¦well thatās good for them I suppose. But just keep all that shit over there.
I actually want to enjoy fighting games away from arcades and try to promote as many fighting games I can. Instead of being too hellbent, worrying if whatever fighting game i like is arcade applaudable (that matters). :rolleyes:
lol?
you have to remember that at the time, kof xi was pretty popular in arcades here for a while (at least for a kof game in america, lol), so it makes sense that those console characters were prohibited in tourney (and also why the consensus was to use arcade mode over arrange). i canāt comment on mbaa though. console characters becoming legal is a sign of the community embracing the console standard, rather than ātoleratingā (for lack of a better term) it.
Different tournament formats place greater/lesser emphasis on different traits and skillsets. The less games there are in a set (single as opposed to 2/3), the more very fast adaptation is valued, and 100% execution and reactions. Matchup unfamiliarity and/or new tricks/setups/etc can also become big factors (although many jpn players will not have this problem due to exposure). On the other hand, every guess becomes more meaningful, and you have less time to train opponents or figure out their tendencies. This is part of why Daigo (and a lot of other jpn players) are so good overall and especially dominate in the us, because they have to be able to suss out an opponent within the first round. Giving them 2/3 to do it is like easy mode for them, much less 4/7 grand finals.
Double elim and 2/3 on the other hand give extra weight to matchups and character strength. In theory counterpicking would balance this out, but there arenāt many us players who play multiple characters well enough for this to be a huge factor. In general, playing a character who has too many bad matchups (particularly if they are against high tier characters that are common) is just a bad idea statistically in us format tournaments.
Me, Iām all in favor of round robin tournaments! No more āwhat wouldāve happened if x had met yā or āhe had an easy bracket.ā Make it single game or 2/3 based on number of entrants, and find out who really is the best on that day. Never happen, though 
3s! YAY!
Haha.
Cant wait to see the competition. Also good to see GG, I cant play that game but imo its fun to watch.
Will Kuroda be in the 3S tourney?
Iām oblivious to what teams/etc will be partecipatingā¦ Have they done qualifiers already or only for SF4?
SBO Qualifiers havenāt even started yet. The SF4 Qualifiers going on now are for the SF4 National Tournament being held by Capcom.
SF4 is the only game that matters.