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I see how it is.

But joking aside, it’s not easier, it’s just more reliable because of the nature of this community, or human nature in general. To give up and say “people won’t do it” is bullshit, because everyone of those people is able to use the internet, create an account here, browse primitive forums for event info, remember to show up, and then get there. People aren’t going to NOT show up to your event because they have to pre-register. But more people WOULD show up to your event (not your’s in general) if they knew it would start and end on time. I’ve stopped attending events because I got tired of wasting entire days to play a game I don’t even like. If I knew they would start on time and end within reason, it wouldn’t be an issue.

It’s only difficult the first time, if you can even call it that. Almost everyone who attends guard crush knows how to do it now. If they can’t do this one simple thing to make yours and everyone elses lives easier, then why are you even doing this for them? Have some vision for a better tomorrow!

But whatever, I’m adding the option anyway. For player’s who want to manage themselves, they can do so. For those that don’t care, they can let you do it. I’m also gonna see about adding late entrants to available bye slots, and ability to swap a player’s position randomly within winners round 1, or within their first round of losers to avoid double jeopardies.

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About the bye’s, an easy way to do it is have a player named bye that fills the bye slots in all tournaments. Have X vs Bye show up as an actual match (although not take up a station slot if tonamento still does that). Finally, allow the player bye to be replaced at any point.

The main advantage to that is it allows tournament organizers to delay the matches after byes as much as they choose to wait on late entries while the scheduler still generates other valid games.

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I know you’re an iPhone user Damdai, but what’s the possibility of getting an Android app for Tonamento? I can see limitations in developing this if you don’t have an Android.

After using Tonamento the day after it’s big update, it WAS a hassle to sign everyone up and register them on the spot. But I also knew that every tournament I run, there won’t be 30-40 people signing up and registering on the spot. I have high hopes that next month it’ll be super smooth during registration because now I have all this time to advertise my tournament and advertise the option/fact that they should sign up and pre-reg on Tonamento, so now I’ll just be collecting money and hitting “Confirmed”. :china:

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Yeah… player sign up could be a good idea… but the change was too abrupt. I wound up abandoning tonamento last night since it would have been way too much trouble to get these halfway computer illiterate fucks in Baltimore to handle their own sign up on the spot.

We’ll see what happens for next week.

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Man damdai, how do you have time to sleep!? Another awesome addition man.

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@ HAV

Being that we were in a LAN Center (so to speak) we had a open CPU that we required people to sign up to tonamento. I believe this was the initial jumping off point because our regulars now have an account made. So in the future if they don’t do it at home (or wherever) or their own they always have a chance to come and sign in and reg at the event. Even after they reg we still require them to sign up on a piece of paper so that we confirm that they have paid fees. If it’s possible i would suggest getting a laptop and stress the fact that they must sign up and make them do it.

In the end if you still want to continue to use Tonamento you really have to just make people do what they have to do. Even though we did not use it yesterday it was a good start to work it into our future tournaments.

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Extra laptop, I’m poor.

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Yeah, I know all that. It just seems like a really cumbersome, unnecessary change.

It’s not like I need tonamento to run a tournament. I was running tournaments way before tonamento existed, so anything that tonamento does, that makes it harder for me to run my shit, isn’t really welcome. I had been running tonamento just to do my part to get a larger data pool for rankings, for the scene at large… but it seems like nobody uses tonamento rankings for seedings anyway, and the tonamento ranking algorithm is weird as fuck too… so, IDK.

With the reinstatement of organizer player filling, I’ll go back to it next week, just for the fuck of it. I’ll try to get my guys to sign up, themselves, but not HAVING to have that happen is huge, IMO.

I respect what damdai is trying to do here, but too much of tonamento seems to be based on some utopian ideal of what SF tournaments should be, instead of what they really are. If you’re trying to steer the scene in a certain direction, you need to do it gradually. I know a lot of organizers that don’t use tonamento, or use it begrudgingly, because of some of the shit that is put in place just to try to control how tournaments should be. People come late to SF events… Not being able to put them into tonamento isn’t gonna stop people from coming late, or stop organizers from putting them in the brackets. tonamento’s policies aren’t going to change that, and it just serves to make it more difficult to run a tournament, when you have to keep track of who’s who, in your tournament, because you had to put somebody into a bye spot.

That’s just an example, but shit like that is what I’m talking about. tonamento is cool, but IMO, it should just be about data collection, and assisting running tournaments, not controlling how the tournaments should be run, from sign-up, to execution.

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You’re right HAV. Sorry I’ve been so stubborn. Added ADMIN REGISTRATION button for organizers to add players manually. This process should be even better than the old manual system. Late entries and restricted floating will be done tomorrow.

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You don’t have to apologize to me… Like I said, I respect what you’re trying to do, and I’ve had a few of my dreams dashed by the laziness, irresponsibility, etc. of the FGC, so whatever. I’d like for tournaments to start on time too… so for my part, I start my shit on time. I just don’t think tonamento can/should enforce that.

As long as you’re doing work on this stuff though, +1 for an Android client.

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Very wise, I like it

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I love you bro.

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Damdai rocks, even if he almost stole my toothpaste. MUCH LOVE!!! <3

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DAm

DAI

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Sushi on me buddy.

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This thing is sick, very nicely put together

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Late entry is done. After tournament has started, you’ll see a new button called ‘Add Late Player (x)’ under the Players tab, where x is the number of available open slots. The added player will go into the bye slot of the worst seed. Working on floating now.

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I’m in 100%.

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Floating is in. There’s a new button next to each match called ‘Avoid Match’. Clicking that will move the 2nd player somewhere else if possible.

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damdai,
I can’t access my account i tried to sign in but says my account doesnt exsist but when i try to ign up again it says someone owns my name please help my name in tonamento is Adam “Chronos411” Lane