Agreed, outside the God Tier, character pairings are key if your going to even think about rankings. But at this point in the game’s life, tiers are pointless.
a game with this many variables is too complex without putting pairings into play, which is why the top has never been settled. no characters are as good as storm / sentinel, paired or unpaired, making them the two best… Other than that… war machine could be considered top tier, but it’s always… ROGUE CAN BE TOP AS LONG AS SHE HAS SO AND SO ASSIST!!! It’s stupid to even debate over this anymore.
Roll is top tier with SENT/CAPCOM backing her.
i hope u get my point.
i wouldn’t ever say a character is maxed out in marvel…
Yeah, chess doesn’t have videos of DPC smoking rocks.
glad we got over this
I feel that zangief does have a lot of advantages against a majority of mid to low tier characters. But when it comes to fighting top/god tier characters he has nothing.
Why is cyclops so high on everyones list? Sure he may have an incredible assist, but when it comes to being on point I’d say he’s the weakest of the top tier.
he has massive run away and meter building properties.
And is that enough to warrant being placed above characters like Spiral and Strider who absolutely murder him on point?
they need assists. spiral can chase him with teleports to be smacked by his jumping roundhouse. strider can do oroborous, but remember, he can only get up to clops to get some basic block damage on him. Strider is not that good without an assist. sorry to let you know that.
Cyclops is awesome. Maybe bottom-level top, but still in that range.
Strider is one of those chars where it is only until he is paired with an assist like T-bone and Doom, that he becomes deadly.
Even then a Good strider player on his own without top-assists, is a force to be reckoned with. The only few downsides he has is his stamina.
I know strider isn’t good without an assist, but the same can be said for most of the characters, it’s just he’s a bit more assist dependent than others.
Whenever I fight Cyclops with S/D I simply sit back and spam the hell out of animals/rocks(while saving meter) and my opponent never seems to be able to do anything about it. All he does is SJ for some quick runaway before getting caught on the ground again. So I’m not sure if this is due to players in my area having crappy cyke play or if cyke honestly doesn’t have much in the way of countering it.
When I fight cykes with spiral I just do circular swords which leads to the Spiral/sent trap. Or I teleport to knock him down with sj.hp. And I’m not sure if this was just dumb luck but I consistently beat him out of his sj.hk with my sj.hp. I’m not sure if the priority is higher or anything, can someone confirm this for me?
So aside from some decent runaway/meter building he can’t do much on point. He’s not all that effective on rushdown, and optic blasts can’t really be considered an effective keep away strat. All I see is him having some decent combos and a good chipping game. So I still say he needs to be lowered.
LOL, you do realize that your entire argument PROVES what I said? Strider and Spiral, you’re both referring to utilizing trapping methods with an assist. And yes, it sounds like the cyclops’ in your area suck.
You want to try it? Put a good solo spiral or strider versus cyclops, and see what the outcome is. If you spam animals without doom covering your ass, all cyclops has to do is wait for you to make a stupid call and jump in at you. OHH you can launch him as he’s coming in, right! double jump, baited, bye bye either one of them. You can do a solo sword trap, but even still. Spiral’s only solo defense is to teleport away from cyclops. strider gets a hit, and without a solid mixup game, you’ve taken 40% life max. Cyclops gets 5 meters really quick and chips you for 50%, and if he gets a hit, it’s 40% life with one meter. it’s much easier for cyclops to get a hit on solo strider, simply because most people can’t teleport right, or will call animals too much. Now you have a solid strider, eg. Kai, Clock, etc, and you’re in for a fight, but likewise, you need to compare that to a solid cyclops, eg. chris matrix. Same with spiral. you underestimate the power of basics in this matchup. Cyclops has a much higher damage potential without assists than either strider or spiral. They’re too assist dependent.
I do want you to also realize, that this is the exact reason why I said… ORDER DOESNT MATTER IN TOP TIER… or was that not said at least three times in this thread? Just deal with it. It’s almost an 8 year old game, and nobody cares about the order anymore. I don’t even care about this game anymore, it’s getting so goddamn old.
EDIT: BEFORE YOU REPOST YOUR BULLSHIT
the reason I was making the example of a solo game, was because you were comparing a two on one scenario of Cyclops versus S/D and S/S by himself, which is obviously an unfair example. If you want to get technical, I’ll call storm projectile to take care of doom and run away from strider just the same, so please, don’t give the 2 v. 1 bullshit of an example. In the end, this is why I keep saying, END THIS POINTLESS FUCKING DEBATE.
It is getting kinda old, but stands the test of time well! So many ways to play, 56 chars, the replay value is godlike.
10 years from now gamers will still be playing it a lot.
It’s value is deteriorating.
damn hella posts got deleted lol stupid internet…
better off. This debate is getting stale after so many years.
are u kidding me. Cyclops is the best of the non-Mags tier. he is number one of top tier list. BH gets owned by him, Doom gets owned by him, Stirder and Spieral get owned by him. I htink you fight some very crappy Cyclops.
Cyke is definitely right under the top tier. Meter building, chip, damage, great assist, average stamina, high priority attacks, and bags and bags of tricks. What more do you need?
says the man that doesn’t even own a console at the moment!
MVC2 is going to get played for a long time yet, same with CVS2, and maybe 3s, to a lesser extent.
ST is still getting played, you have to remember, these games have something other games don’t, and it’s not like a silly sports game or a action game thats fun until it’s done.
Chess never died, you can argue Chess is a very intense deep game, which it is, but just because something is “old” does not mean it’s time to quit it, if people still like playing it, it will keep getting played.
This new era of “tech” makes people think that if it’s older, then it must be worse, because there is something better/faster/newer, but that does not apply to these kinds of games.
If it’s fun and people still want to play it, it will continue, regardless of what time happens to think of it.
it seems people should realize that their is only one tier list in marvel that matters…and that is god tier, and even then that doesn’t really mean shit does it?
if there ever was a tier list it would be best simulated by using specific TEAMS, and even then, there are counters for MANY top tier teams, and one could argue possibly every team.
this threads are just humor =)
This is what i’ve been saying. It’s a lost cause man… it’s a lost cause.