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oh! well carry on, then :coffee:

this is one i seriously don’t get. why do people carry on conversations with obvious bots? if every single post that has been made is complete nonsensical copy/paste gibberish, it’s a bot, people!

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who’s talking about you?

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oh i thought u were insulting my posting style and calling it gibberish

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I can’t fathom how South Carolina is purported to have the cheapest cigarettes due to a 7% tobacco tax, but every place I call quotes me a per-carton price only 3-6 dollars cheaper than what we have here in my state, while the news and newspapers claim the cigarettes there cost less than half what they cost in other states. Are the stores jacking up the pre-tax price so as to get a price close to what other states charge? I don’t smoke, mind you, but my dad is looking for cheaper cigs cuz he’s too weak to stop.

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Yeah, seriously, know a guy like that too…wtf are they thinking. -.-
That’s gonna be one hell of a midlife crisis at age 28.

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Yo, I can’t fathom bitches that wear sagging skinny jeans. Its just so gay.

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So you’re telling me because he said his faith gave him conviction, that otherwise he would not have? Without his faith, you believe he would have been entirely different from who he was? Deep down, whatever we choose to believe/think, I don’t think it the case that such a thing drastically changes who we are. What he said is tantamount to an actor thanking God for winning an award. He was a great man, that I believe would have done what he did either way.

It does sound familiar, I don’t particularly like arguing about what if scenarios like this because it’s pointless, but seeing as how you do, I wanted to make the point that religion, for most of us doesn’t define us as who we are. Our personalities I believe are still intact regardless of what we believe. It isn’t pure conjecture to say that I don’t think his belief or lack of in God would fundamentally change him.

Take any person of faith who has since become an atheist, I would think other than minor things like the physical act of going to church, praying, etc. you’re still the same person.

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Left to themselves, good men will do good things, evil men will do bad things. However, to get a good man to do evil… THAT takes religion.
-Hitchens

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Basically what you said was “It isn’t pure conjecture to say this pure conjecture.”

That’s exactly what it was. You have no evidence other than your assumptions that MLK’s religion didn’t shape his personality. It’s pure conjecture when you say “You don’t think his belief or lack of in God would fundamentally change him.” because you have absolutely ZERO evidence to the contrary. It’s nothing but speculation from you as opposed to MLK himself saying his faith was what convicted him. MLK before he was the civil rights activist was born as a son of a pastor and then became a pastor himself. Pastors are defined by their religion. His entire life was lived a certain way because of his and his father’s religion. Who’s to say if MLK was born to a baker or a carpenter, he would have accomplished what he did?

Who’s to say that even if he did become a civil rights leader, without his religious background he would go the way of Malcolm X (as he was tempted to) instead of the much more peaceful approach he took?

You can’t say ANY of that without being 100% speculative.

^_-;

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Why people like Lil’ Wayne
Fucker sounds like a police siren

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yo rat tat tat i got the feeling that the me 109 couldn’t follow and
turn their attention to some “quasi-moto like mother fucker” its the truth
lurking hidden in thy ebon vaults beneath the french criticism of the
people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the police.

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It’s all speculation, thus why I don’t find it very productive to use as any form of argument. I don’t think it’s too far fetched or pure conjecture to say that religion doesn’t change who we are as people other than minor changes in life style.

Say MLK while in the middle of the civil rights movement woke up one day no longer believing in God, do you think that day and the days after will really be that much different than the days prior?

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Why are you guys talking about hypotheticals with MLK? How about a more reasonable one, like would the Spanish Inquisition have happened without Catholicism?

…seriously.

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I just wanna come in here and say good shit Galactic.

… Good shit Galactic.

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I can’t fathom people who don’t find discussions about The Big Questions interesting.

So, while I’m on the subject, I would also like to point out that there is a huge difference between being ‘Religious’ in the sense of being a Muslim/Christian/Jew/Hindu, and being theistic in a general philosophical sense.

I was always the latter. I hung around with the hare krishnas for a while, heard them out, even tried their goddamn chanting. Didn’t get any superpowers. Didn’t see the sense in it. Never became one.

So while I CAN understand general theism (in fact, it is very, very understandable and reasonable, in a way), what I cannot understand is religion. It is incredibly stupid. I’m sorry to all the believers here, and it is very hard for me to say this to a believer, but it is stupid to believe your book has the exclusive metaphysical truth over another’s.

As for all this talk of “what the world would be like without religion”, I don’t think you could argue it would be the same, Hoax. That’s like saying that hey, the national socialism ethos didn’t influence the nazis actions in any way.

And the REASON for this is that to a deeply religious person, a suicide bomber’s actions make sense. They are totally rational if you take into account their (deluded) premises.

  1. God is real
  2. God has an opinion on non-believers
  3. God wants you to kill non-believers
  4. God will reward you handsomly for killing the non-believers

(The above are the delusional premises)

  1. There are some non-believers

Therefore…

  1. You should go kill the non-believers.

Without the deluded premises, what reason does the person have to go kill the non-believers? Unless you are claiming that human reason has no bearing on human actions, which would invalidate many of the sciences and the arts.

EDIT: or, yes, the spanish inquisition. That’s a good one. Perhaps some people are born sadists, but without religion to provide them a framework from within which to act, what would they be beyond a disorganised rabble, or even just individual psychos?

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Haha, perspective is a crazy thing sometimes. Good shit, hoaxium.

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Wow.

You fuckers managed to completely run this thread into the ground.

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I’m sorry but I’ll go out on a limb and say that this thread was destined to be run into the ground. I think the main question here is if Christianity never existed would it have still degenerated this way?

…zing

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This Sunday was troll Sunday, from the looks of things. I am disappoint.

EDIT: And that damned green bird makes me have to agree with what Irrenicus says.

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Wow… That av is GDLK. :rofl: