3S
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is that before or after he passes through you?
after. Do the motion backwards as a reversal. I’m pretty sure it works as long as he passes through you, regardless of how far you were when it started (as long as it goes through you).
Yeah, you do have to jump a little early for it to hit. I forgot to specify that.
3S
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is this the only real punish for EX PC?
@brainpipe, its not for full hits is it??
MP machine gun works if your around close range when the psycho starts up, if your far and he still passes through you do MP jet upper or ex jet upper. If He does it clsoe and doesn’t pass through you, Im not 100% but I think lp jet upper fp jet upper/ultra works.
for the most part, except for the scenario that fullmetalross said.
You can also punish with a delayed U1 (not reversal). Be thankful we have a punish for ex pc, not all characters can punish it on block.
Yeah, it is for full hits.
Also I am not sure it has been mentioned yet, or if it actually works, but near as I can tell you can punish badly spaced EX Scissor kicks with HP/ex jet upper. I have my doubts that it would punish if they do it from max range, or even any real distance, but I seem to be getting away with punishing it when they are up close pressuring me in the corner. If anyone can confirm this for me I’d appreciate it.
every ex scissor should be punishable by something. Anything within st.rh range gets st.rh.
dont know if this stopped its a great idea. and i dont see any requests but i guess ill throw out sakura for the next one!
MeLLoW
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I haven’t been active in about a week now, been playing too much Halo 3 <3
Anyways, Bison is my second most hated character to fight behind E.Honda. I don’t have any tips but these tips look good and I’ll try them out in training today to see what other reversals are good for EX SC.
Anyways, for a request of another character I’d say Rose…seriously? Who doesn’t have trouble with Rose? I think Rose has been underestimated when using Dudley and a lot of people like myself need to fight a few tips to keep Rose down. I personally don’t think Sakura is trouble from my experience but hr footsies are legitimately good and her anti-air is so gdlk.
Been playing Hugo101 a lot the past few days, also been watching him play Marn and another dudley at Arcade Infinity (Horrible Dudley or something?) I obviously didn’t win a lot of the matches, because he’s a much better player than me, but I made a few observations.
It seems to me that if you can stay out of the corner the match is even. If you get in the corner, good luck.
U1 went all the way for me. Punishes EX Psycho Crusher, Headstomp followups, Devil’s Reverse followups, and teleports. All of which are his main forms of escaping pressure. Once that becomes wildly unsafe, he has no options but to guess right.
ciry
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Oh and you can totally punish Hk and EX scissor kick with c.mp-> mp MGB, timing is real easy too.
DHEvil
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You have to have to have to have to be able to dissuade Bison from pressing st.RH by counter hitting it with st.Fierce, or at least trade with it. His button causes 100, yours 130. He has 1000 life, you have 1050. At least look for the trade, but ofc CH is the ideal and will quickly put doubts in his mind about pressing that button.
Was messing around earlier and found out that Dictator’s hitbox for the Scissor Kicks is on the ground, so you can actually crouch forward it for an untechable knockdown.
East
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I know this thread is kind of old, but if you play a scissor kick-happy bison [aka 7/5ths of all bisons…] if they do 2 scissor kicks and then try to do a crouching short, Dudley’s crouching strong will beat it. Test it.
Mr.X
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That’s what these match up threads are for, if you got something good to add to the match up, post in it.
It’ll trade with 120 damage s.HK
East
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Also, nightmare booster will beat out crouching strong, I think that’s pretty important. I’m surprised you didn’t test that too.
You cant recommend using c.MP vs SSF4’s Bison’s Scissor pressure.
All sarcasm aside, once the Bipson pressure starts you gotta take your shots because he has a ton of shit he can just throw out at you you cant deal with with normals or reversals alone.
From a Blocked Scissor Kick Bipson can s.HK, Teleport back, c.LK, Delayed c.MK xx buffered Scissor Kick, and Scissor Kick
Come on now.
Not even safe to back dash vs That kind of mix up.
When they release the SSF4 AE section of the SSF4 boards we’ll take the SSF4 defense options there but for now keep it honest
(dont say you can cross counter btw)
Lol at my Bison experience. (not throwing any names out) Also I’m not saying you’re completely helpless and have to block the Bipson pressure. I’m just sayng there’s no sure way out of it for Dudley./
React, Adapt, and Read. The only sure way to beat Bipson pressure.
East
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The bolded section is what I am deriving my information from. I know firsthand Bison pressure, and I know that it’s very difficult to pick your shots, and that’s why I put up the information. On several different opponents, I’ve noticed that they will often do the scenario I described above.
Though of course it’s difficult to consider the source, in the latest excellent adventures of mike ross & gootecks, Mike Ross tells Gootecks to sit at 3/4ths screen away from bison and the Bison will use the slide. Low and behold that shit works multiple times, and he says that he uses that same strategy in tournaments. Now knowing that, am I going to use it given the chance? Fuck right I am, because if Bison can’t get his pressure started, I don’t have to pick and choose my shots.
The same applies to using c.mp in the situation I put before. If you’re not going to do utilize it, I’m not telling you too. If you’re going to get too hung up on always losing to his options, then you’ve lost the match before you start. By the time bison gets a single meter, you might as well be afraid to do anything, and just let Bison bend you over, because as far as you know everything will be an EX Psycho Crusher.
Read, Adapt, and React. Everything isn’t going to work against everyone, but use what you can to your advantage.
