I’m working on a sequel to zeitgeist
lol at the select few 46 year olds too stupid to hold a conversation on anything other than the scent of their own ass.
The people who watch those, and buy into that conspiracy bullshit tend to be annoying.
I would love to look at it another way, but as I see reality, it’s too hard to just ignore it, or attempt to fox news it to something better. I am by no means special, like you said the opinion isn’t too uncommon.
My original intent when the argument began in the Conan thread was that Cynicism was closer to reality than the comment Conan made afterwords about working hard and good things will happen to you. A lot of extra shit gets brought up in the midst of seven people arguing said point.
Said arguing was how things were brought up about life in general sucking and lacking intrinsic value. It was never really about the meaning of life, at least I never intended for the discussion to be about that.
For the rest of what you wrote there were so many lines I decided to be lazy and not read it. If I missed something important I’m sorry for misunderstanding.
You’re correct, that was my mistake I incorrectly interchange inherent and intrinsic, but I believe only so in the Conan thread.
I apologize for that, but appreciate the respectful tone of your disagreements throughout.
The intent of the thread was to finish a conversation being had in the Conan thread, that Sep asked us to stop, as well as people asking to make a thread if I/we wanted to discuss it. So I did.
Just because of the subject matter, and the use of the word(s) not normally thrown around outside a philosophy class does not make me feel superior in any way shape or form.
I enjoy discussing ideas, but it is apparent to me, scrotal is attempting to have a cock measuring contest in philosophy, but what he said about Kant and Nietzsche did nothing for what his problem with what I was saying. I don’t even think scrotal understands what is being discussed. By that I mean he is arguing against a point, I’m not making.
You have no real reason to be in here, can you go boost your post count in another thread? You’re a broken record, and an annoying one at that.
I think like 3/4 of your posts have to do with fast food. Go eat/get back to Ellen.
Please apply this to whatever it is you’re referring. Without doing so I’m unsure as to what you’re speaking of.
Law of non-contradiction, life can be either shitty, or not shitty, it cannot be both. Logically. However I do believe that to be a false dichotomy anyways, but I digress. I don’t like how subjectivity can get whored for many things. Anyone that thinks suffering is subjective is just plain wrong to me.
Not quite sure what it has to do with anything to be quite honest, unless you were just trying to inform. I’m familiar with his early and later life, but if you’re trying to infer that pessimism causes that sort of degeneration in all people I can only respond with I hope so.
His philosophy on women is spot on imo. Thank you for actually posting something this time instead of another Rogan clip.
This sentence is indicative of our entire exchange, you make a claim, and offer no explanation, as if it is to explain itself when it does not.
Instead of saying exactly why you know, you just say you know. You might as well not make the statement, because you’re stating an insulting opinion with nothing to back it up. Trust me, I’ve read him, it’s no major feet.
Firstly, I have quoted but one philosopher (Schopenhauer), and it was a paraphrased couple sentences at that. I resisted even doing so because of your kind of response, but I thought it fitting to illustrate the point at the time.
You either don’t understand what I’m saying, or are ignoring it. You keep going off on this tangent like I’m just figuring out what existentialism is. This conversation was NEVER about existentialism. I don’t care about objective meaning. I don’t think it’s necessary.
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What did your post on Kant & Nietzsche illustrate as far as my point that life sucks and has no intrinsic value? Or any point I made?
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Point me to anything that directly addressed any point I made.
Again, since you’re so fucking thick headed, this isn’t about existentialism. I personally don’t like much of Nietzsche’s work.
If you want to discuss a point I made, or tell me how you disagree, show me what you disagree with. Don’t disagree with something I’m not even talking about.
It’s one thing to say suffering is an aspect of life, it’s another to say life* is* suffering.
I don’t see any reason to conclude the latter, similarly, I don’t see any reason to conclude life is all peachy and wonderful.
Life is a smorgasbord of honey and shit, good and evil, beauty and horror. To concentrate on only one aspect is to miss the point.
However, I don’t know what form of pessimism you are advocating.
As a psychological state I think optimism is superior, it feels better, it’s more attractive and easy going. Yet as a philosophy on life or a description of the world, I think both optimism and pessimism are pretty useless and besides the point…
no you haven’t. Weren’t you proudly admitting that a while ago?
the point those philosophers were trying to make was that the meanings we attach to life are contradictory and irrational, but they are referring to those attached meanings, not life as a whole. By misreading those philosophers and claiming that they meant that life was nothing at all because all we believe of it is false, you’re assuming that life is and can only be what you already think it is. I’m just referring you to books because you can just read them if you want your points addressed or disproven or expanded upon, instead of grinding out on the internet with a dozen people telling you to get your dick wet.
You haven’t read Nietzsche. Your whole thing against him seems to be that he’s not “trendy” enough of a philosopher, like he’s some kind of punk band that you can only like if nobody else knows who they are. That’s fine and but that has nothing to do with the discussion
If you want a “bumper-sticker” summary of how superman relates to your idea of life as suffering, how’s “life is shitty and meaningless because we’re too stupid and stubborn to realize any differently”?
That’s the thing, when you misquote people or use logical devices vaguely or incorrectly, you aren’t making any points we can respond to. What am I supposed to do? Prove to you that Mexicans don’t like sex?
“People don’t get what they want” and “abstract things have no intrinsic value” are facts, sure. So what? How does that prove anything? The assumption is that life consists ONLY of getting what you want, and abstract things NEED intrinsic value to be important. You use them as if they were givens, and they aren’t, not ever.
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Heyyyy…this isn’t the Guilty Gear thread…:bluu:
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You misspelled yourself.
It’s “hoax I ***a***m”.
And this shit is shit Open!? Where’s the Mods for this shit!? I’m going to make a thread about How life sucks and be an Emo child and hate life and others. Oh wait I think I’m in one! 
I don’t think life is suffering. I just don’t believe the good tends to outweigh the bad for the vast majority of life.
That is what the focus arises from. It’s not equal in any sense, and the best we can hope for is to suffer as little as possible, bringing it back to the zero sum idea.
Please quote where I said I have not read any of his work(s).
Firstly you didn’t refer me to any book, and because I don’t want to go back and look I don’t even think those came out of any of their works anyways. What you did post did absolutely nothing for either the point that life is a zero sum game or life lacking any intrinsic value.
It having no intrinsic value, has nothing to do with it having any meaning. I think this is where there is a misunderstanding. Could be wrong, but that’s what it appears to be to me.
If someone else understands please fill me in.
I have read Nietzsche, can you please tell me how you know I have not? Furthermore does it even really matter? I think Nietzsche is actually too trendy.
If that was your summary of how you think Nietzsche’s ubermensch relates to what I said, I really don’t mean to be rude, but I think you have a vastly different interpretation of what the concept of the ubermensch is. Albeit he is pretty famously fickle to interpret in general. That aside, his ideas on suffering were pretty apparent. He believed it made us stronger, and that it was there to make us into stronger better people by overcoming.
What was misquoted? If I made an obvious point, it was most likely not meant to be responded to, rather to justify a stance on something I said about cynicism or something else. I’m not asking you to prove anything, other than if you have some disagreement with something. As far as the last point you made, you’re going to have to be a bit more clear, I’m not quite sure I understand what it is you’re getting at.
I’ve read most of his work with the exception of some essays, but for others I guess it’s an ok look at his thought on the will to live.
Astute.
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You misspelled yourself.
It’s “moron”.
You’re like a bad case of diarrhea. Please go drip your turds somewhere else. Go watch your tivo’ed Oprah show hon.
Oh boy, you’re just a lil peach you know that? :lovin:
Your boring facts of life makes me diarrhea…and that’s all you have? Go watch Oprah and go eat? Dude STFU already and post shit on Gaia. That’s if they want you back there.
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You’ve literally said three things, four including Gaia. You watch Oprah, want opinions on the Taco Bell diet, and you keep whining like a child to close a topic for reasons I’m not aware?
You realize people can have disagreements and a discussion all in one right? Go to another thread if you don’t like it. Have to reply to fish’s retarded response so please stop bothering me. Adults (and a teen according to some) are attempting to have a conversation.
Useless post.
No I actually like bothering you it’s pretty funny to pick on someone that see life as nothing. and I can’t believe these people are still feeding this 17 year old troll that probably lives in his mother’s basement giving rants on his computer posts. talking to you is like talking to a wall. you’ll never see life as a good thing but why bring it on a fighting game site? don’t you have any other sites to go to? Did you Try Gamefaqs?
Who exactly are you picking on? I didn’t see anyone claiming life as nothing, perhaps it was someone in the Oprah 2.0 thread, sorry I don’t mean to keep HARPOwning you hon. Where exactly should a 17 year old be making posts from?
Why bring any of the shit that is on this site not related to fighting games here? You are fucking literally retarded. Not a single thing you say makes sense, nor is it even remotely funny, unless you enjoy watching people make asses out of themselves. Do yourself a favor and go grab your mom/aunt/grandma/or a random 10 year old you can find ASAP let them post for you.
So other than the obvious fact that the majority of life is full of suffering, do you have some other thesis? I thought you were advocating some sort of pessimism…
I’m not exactly sure which word you’re referring to as “big”, but I haven’t used anything a high school graduate shouldn’t know. From the way you phrased this first part, I’ll take it you mean hyperbole due to you giving the definition in your reply. While I appreciate it, I’m well aware what it means baby girl. Exactly what was the strawman argument that I made?
Look at you with that dictionary opened up! Studious little Asian, doesn’t help the stereo-type at all. Only one problem, this isn’t math…
Quote me where I said you had to be one of the two. I never said that to my knowledge. Still have your dictionary out? Good let’s continue! Where exactly does it say someone who is being cynical about something cannot offer a solution? Might not think it will work, but I don’t see where you’re getting any of this. Chinese to English dictionary? Hmmm…
I’m glad you and your urban sassy black girl avatar speak for the whole of SRK all of a sudden. You couldn’t infer an asshole from a vagina if your life depended on it. Anything you read that you need to break a dictionary out for is all of a sudden pseudo intellectual garbage. You’ve spewed complete turds each post, so much so I’m making a windows 7 desktop widget of toilet paper to wipe the screen after each post, might need to make a febreeze one to get the smell out as well.
The whole conversation stemmed from an argument that was started in the Jay/Conan thread, the point you’re speaking about was just a one issued to that aid in that conversation.