ill never understand why some of you refuse to play dante
its like only playing half of zero
Learning Dante is the 3rd best decision I’ve made in this game (behind learning Zero and learning Hiryu). Jam Session is absolutely worth it.
When I picked up this game and was deciding what team I was going to go with, Dante was actually the one I put in the most work with, I grinded for what felt like forever to kick up my Dantes prowess, for the sole purpose of eventually learning Zero and running Zero/Dante ( also because at the start of Ultimate it was starting to look like Zeros damage was going to be low since no one really knew how to do his new combos, so being the FG newbie I just went with Dante as he seemed relatively untouched ).
Anyway long story short I did a lot of things to make my Dante sick, I even had side teams with Dante on point so I could get a real feel for him, and I genuinely really liked how stylish he was, but man I do NOT like playing Zero/Dante, heres why
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Dante has retarded slow normals, it is really hard to get his spacing game going and if I fail to do so, its extremely hard to get people off of me. In a game where blocking any assist for half a second means I have a Wesker/Magneto/Wolverine mashing quick ass buttons in my face, its a big turn off.
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Super unintuitive to play, mostly because of the speed of his normals, but also because his projectile/keepaway game is unorthodox, his box-dash offense is a bit hard to get used to ( and also gets quite predictable in longer sets )
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Its really hard to get optimal confirms with him, often times I just have to settle with a shitty 500k~ combo if I had work with an awkward confirm.
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Really hard to finish your plate a lot of the times, I could burn 4-5 bars and potentially not/barely kill off a higher health character if I couldn’t corner carry for LL or SS DHC ( Like a level 3 confirm into basic combo>Million Dollars XF teleport j.S Beehive Million dolllars is just enough to kill Thor. )
All in all, when Zero dies it just feels like a big uphill battle to grind down someones team with Dante/assist. When my Zero dies and my Doom/Ammy pair comes in stocked with 5 meters and XF2? It feels like I could end the match the second my opponent presses a button or tries to chuck anything at me, cause Doom is building another 1.5-2 bars on that THC confirm, and that shit on incoming characters is practically another free kill. High, low, crossup footdive, throw inbetween the gaps of the THC? They all lead to a dead character.
Probably sounds like my Dante is scrubby as fuck, because he is, and that I say too many words, and I know a lot of the problems I listed are fixed through Yipes-tier Dante play, but its understandable why some Zero players don’t want to play him. Hes a great character and I still play him on my alt teams with like Zero/Dante/Vergil but thats about it.
Also i’m ass at confirming off Jam Session
TL;DR - I’m a fraudulent player that needs gimmicks and BS for easy wins.
I like Doom second. I dont like Dante anchor. So I use Doom/Vergil instead.
I am going to be honest, If I didn’t like Dante as a character a lot, I wouldn’t use Jam Session honestly. I’ll probably play another character I like.
I’m still supreme levels of ass with Dante but I’m still trying to make him work in my 2nd team.
1st team will always be Zero/Dorm/Doom for various reason, but I’m sure no one wants me to list my reasons can go on forever,
i guess im the only zero who liked dante more than zero all of vanilla and got good with him 
word, I played Zero/Dante in vanilla. But I like Doom so much in Ultimate, and I hate him as anchor. I also hate Dante anchor. So yeah, no Dante for me atm.
I like Doom anchor, just that I don’t like Dante + Plasma Beam. Without Plasma Beam, Dante can’t combo from his air grab with missiles, which is a let down for me.
I have my reasons, but they boil down to “I don’t like playing him”.
I play for fun above all. Sure I wanna do well and win tournies, but I have to be having fun. I’m not about to spend the amount of time I have to play learning characters I don’t like playing because that’s just not fun.
So i recently watched CEO and im wondering if Zero/ Dorm dark hole/ Dr.Doom Missles will be a good synergy?
Zero/Doom? - Yes.
Zero/Dorm - I have no idea. I have no interest in playing Dorm, but I’ve always wondered why I don’t see more Zero w/Dark Hole assist. It must be something I’m missing.
I’ve no idea how you got that idea from CEO but I’ve been running that team since pre-vanilla builds and it’s still my main team. It’s not a team for anyone though if you like playing full retard style/ relentless pressure/ mixup i.e. Mihe/ most Zeros then you’re better off with Dante/Doom or someother Dante shell.
If you’re a patient player that doesn’t use left right mixups a lot and waits for openings i.e. Flocker then there’s tonnes of synergy. You get easy midscreen relaunches, unblockable setups, ridiculous DHC damage and safe ways to DHC out to Stalking Flare during combos. Double Hadangeki is amazing with Dormammu too.
I could write a lot more but it’s defo a good team. But far from conventional as far as Zero teams go, you might feel like you’re losing out on a lot, in which case this style of team isn’t for you tbh. It’s all about zoning with Zero and Dormammu.
I got the Dorm/Doom part from f champ because i saw how lame/efficient he was and he actually did pretty good against more heavily rushed down teams, but instead of running a mag i replace it with zero because he can be just as good as mag but with more options
So does anyone know why Vanilla Team Japan (Zero/Dante/Akuma), is so underused nowadays? It still feels really, really, powerful to me, so I’ll probably run it as a second serious team. Zero + Tatsu is so retarded why have I been ignoring this!
I enjoy that team a lot personally but I think the reason why its not used as much anymore because there are “better options” than Akuma.
Really? The only other character I could think who’s assist is good for both Zero and Dante whilst being a really good anchor is Magneto
There may be a few better options (that’s the case with many teams), but I’m not seeing a particular reason why the team is bad enough that so many people stopped using it, and only few have continued to or picked it up. If anyone can enlighten me before I go all in…
Only reason I can think of is the increase in HSD which makes it significantly harder than before to hit-confirm off it or use it as a damaging combo ender.
What do you guys run for your alt teams? I kind of feel like i’ve hit a brick wall for my Zero/Doom/Ammy team as far as lab time and tech goes, seeing as how I have all my advanced loops down, anti-phoenix tech, incoming mixups, guard breaks etc, not really all incorporated in yet but those are things I can work on in casuals.
I know Zero typically doesn’t really have any unwinnable matchups but i’ve been thinking of going with a side team for people that like to run Hawkeye/Task/Trish/Storm or other teams that might be able to snipe my Zero at some point. Right now my side teams that I like to run are Mags/Dorm/Doom, and a few Phoenix teams. Any ideas for teams that would cover some of Zeros harder matchups?
Akuma as ender is not as gdlk as it used to be, it still works and stuff and Akuma himself is an amazing character. The thing is that, in some scenarios is hard to combo off Akuma assist because they tech kinda high in the air. You’d prob need some time to get used to it.