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Then I’m missing the point… How do you bully people when both know how to fight? Bullying is one person overpowering another. And if you can do it in the ring, what’s wrong with it?

because you cant rely on that in the long run. especially when people stop being intimidated by you. you need the skills to back it up when that style fails. Ronda relied on it too long and only had her judo and an armbar to back it up. in the long run that wasnt enough, especially against people who can strike.

I see. Cool thanks for explaining lol
I was just confused how you can bully people in your weight class when you are both skilled.

The equivalency of belts from njpw/wwe

IwgP=WWE title, history, prestige etc

Ic=universal, newer but seen as same status as main belt. Often main events when given to older main eventers like tanahashi and suzuki.

Never=ic title/us title given to guys just below main event level.

US=NXT title, given to a newer wrestler to elevate them. Established by big name wrestlers. Now held by guys building reputation

Cruiser=jr heavy, only some guys are over. But usually they are showcases. The tags mean nothing

Iwgp heavy tag=sd tag belts. Finally the iwgp tag titles matter for the first time since Meiyu Tag won them. Just make sanada/evil the equivalent of tenkoji by them having strong singles. But the sd tag titles are the best booked/protected titles in all of wrestling. Road Dogg does one thing right.

Never 6 man=raw tag, constantly hot potato’d in meaningless feuds going nowhere with no real upward for whomever wins them.

Yeah njpw’s jobber belt is the us title since they rely on an unover, unproven, boring, confused young boy to get it over

I really hope Juice wins the title. He is over enough to give it some well juice

the never=ic title doesnt make sense since everyone messing with the ic title are main event people.

Goto is a main eventer in the same way as jeff hardy, miz, and seth rollins. Where he can be put in the main event & draw.

It went from evil to shibata to goto to suzuki back to goto. With evil being the only up and coming guy to win it.

So right now with Elgin and Goto it is pretty standard to have upper midcard guys fight for it. Elgin is upper mid with a couple main events under him.

Like seriously people wanted to keep split ppv’s just to keep the midcard

Look at backlash. We had no tag title matches. Or a cw title match.

We had roman main eventing.

Making all ppv’s co-brand has killed the midcard dead.

IWGP US is no NXT title equivalent. The title literally exists so it can headline their US shows. On the New Japan site, they place it on the same tier as the NEVER belt.

The us market will act as a feeder to new japan proper

The us dojo helped joe, daniel bryan, tjp, finn, anderson, and shinsuke develop. It is where goto and tanashi upped their game back in the day

The us market will be new japan’s nxt along with lion’s gate shows

They are literally using the us title around their young gaijins for now. Like i expect Henare to challenge for the us title after finally beating Ishii

The Ishii/Henare rivalry is fucking awesome with Ishii literally fighting the younger version of himself

It sucks that the concussion sidelined kitamura and the leg injury sidelined leo tonga.

Apparently Kitamura might have quietly retired. Which sucks. But it is great that njpw takes concussions seriously.

I’m the biggest Nia Jax mark I know and I was cringing at the canned lines she had to recite.

As for the match itself, it was as if the bookers said to her and Alexa: “Okay. Remember your shockingly good match at WrestleMania? Do the same thing, but way worse.” So we had Nia going for multiple second rope attacks, all of which failed like someone just constantly going for a flash kick in Super Turbo. Lots of hair pull slams and body splashes. Alexa poking Nia in the eye, kicking her in the knees, calling her a pathetic loser.

Nia needs an overhaul to her extremely basic moveset. I get that she’s a big gal, but being that big doesn’t stop people like Samoa Joe. Give her a definitive finisher. She doesn’t have one right now. The overhead military press to rolling senton/leg drop combo is good enough for now, but she needs something unique. I love Nia with all my heart, but fuck if I’m not worried about her long-term potential.

So apparently there might be a third money in the bank that is going to be for the tag team titles?

That’s going to be a cluster fuck if true.

TBH I’d rather see a mitb for the cruiserweights…

RoH is their feeder. I don’t think they even do any major shows without New Japan talent on the card.

The US title has a young gaijin focus for now as Jay White is champion and they are having him face his contemporaries. It makes for easy story to tell. I hope they put the belt on someone the fans give a shit about as Switchblade isn’t resonating with anyone. Juice should get the belt.

Meh tlc matches multimaN ladder matches started as a tag team affair.

Just limit it to 4 teams.

Usos, The bar, Revival, authors of pain

Let them rock

Ideal for me is AoP squashing matt/bray in short order to bring prestige back

I’d run bludgeons vs new day for the ppv

I just reallized sanity is main roster

Oh fuck, Cien for Mr. mitb, dude would be so perfect.

Juice needs the us title as much as the us title needs an over talent to carry it.

Okada had Gedo to talk them and okada became great at promos and one of the best of all time in ring. Dude is legendary at 30.

Switchblade really should have joined suzuki gun and had taka as a hype man. ZSJ had taka get him over to the fans.

Hell at this point switchblade is lower than yoshi-hashi

I think the best poach from roh has been hangman. Flip about to jump too.

I think right now gearing the us title around gaijin and young boys will work.

Speaking of young boys. Shota Umino is bulking up.

Sho needs to level up into a heavyweight.

Kushida should jump into the never title scene

Give ospreay 2 years and he will pack as much mass as Neville.

Neville needs to just finish out jobbing in wwe so he can go to new japan

The Iiconics hold each other’s pinkies like a couple of fresh-out-the-closet teenagers. Peyton definitely bottoms to Billie, though.

Billie’s makeup always is ridiculous. Like she sets the makeup gun to whore

She looks so much better on her ig

Like the makeup is as bad as paige’s clown work

Points to the first person who notices what’s missing in this video.

Lana hasn’t been using her Russian accent on WWE TV for a few weeks now…

Hmm. Then I’ll take the L on that. It’s what I get for pretending to follow the weeklies.

NXT spoilers…matches may be out of order when televised.

NXT Spoilers

Announced for tonight is Ricochet vs. The Velveteen Dream plus The Undisputed Era vs. Oney Lorcan, Danny Burch and WWE UK Champion Pete Dunne

May 16th Episode:

  • Johnny Gargano’s music hits but Tomasso Ciampa comes out. Ciampa says Johnny won in New Orleans but he won the war. Candice LeRae comes out and asks who is Tomasso anymore. Candice says she’s tired of shedding tears over Ciampa’s cruelty, and that while Johnny’s future is in doubt, Ciampa will always know Johnny is better than him. Ciampa says he’s more of a man than Johnny has ever been, and he knows Candice was always more of a man that Johnny. Candice slaps Ciampa, and Ciampa smiles, and does his wave as he leaves the ring

  • Lacey Evans defeated Brandi Lauren. Lauren is the former Ava Storie from Impact Wrestling. This was a quick squash. Lacey hits a moonsault, stands Lauren up, and hits a punch for the win. After the match, Kairi Sane attacks Lacey on the ramp, runs her back to the ring, and goes up for the elbow, but Lacey rolls out and runs away

  • Ricochet vs. The Velveteen Dream ends in a No Contest. Ricochet goes for a dive but Dream slides back in, just as Ricochet hits the superhero pose and they stare each other down. They go back and forth until Lars Sullivan runs in and lays both men out

  • Kona Reeves defeated Raul Mendoza. This was a nothing match really. Raul has control early, until Kona throws him face first into the turnbuckles. Raul fights back, but misses a springboard moonsault (that Kona was out of position for). Kona throws him shoulder first into the turnbuckles and hits a Samoan drop for the

  • WWE UK Champion Pete Dunne, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated The Undisputed Era (NXT North American Champion Adam Cole, NXT Tag Team Champions Roderick Strong & Kyle O’Reilly). Undisputed Era take turns isolating Burch at the start. Burch takes control and makes the tag to Dunne, who goes to work on Strong. Pete goes for the finger break spot, Adam and Kyle run in to stop it, but get cut off by Oney & Danny and all three suffer the finger break. After a regroup, Cole gets the advantage on Dunne, and Undisputed take their turns wearing Dunne down. Pete fights back and hits a hot tag to Oney. Great sequence of near falls and breakups. Undisputed Era get trapped in submissions but Roddy kicks Oney off him, into Dunne, who falls into Burch, breaking up the submissions. Finish comes when Oney hits a double blockbuster on Kyle and Roddy, then Burch hits an elevated DDT on Kyle for the pin

May 23rd Episode:

  • Jonathan Coachman is in the front row wearing a NXT t-shirt

  • TM61 defeated Heavy Machinery. Machinery dominate the opening part of the match. Tucker Knight ties Nick Miller up in a Final Cut position in the ropes and they use Shane Thorne as a battering ram into Nick. Shane tags in and hits an uppercut on Tucker, who had Nick rolled up and TM take control and trade tags isolating Tucker. Tucker finally gets the hot tag to Otis Dozovic, who runs wild. Otis hits the worm, but Shane breaks up the pin. Otis goes up top and wipes off with Shane’s towel and tosses it in the ring. While the ref is distracted by the towel, Shane knocks Otis off the ropes and Nick scores the pin with his feet on the ropes

  • Lacey Evans defeated Kairi Sane. Kairi aggressively goes after Lacey at the start. They trade some stiff chops. Lacey takes control. Kairi ducks a kick and hits a blockbuster. Kairi hits the baseball slide elbow and rolls Lacey back into the ring. Kairi goes for a forearm smash off the top rope, but Lacey punches her out of the air and gets the pin

  • Candice LeRae and Johnny Gargano come out for a promo. Johnny is in a neckbrace and is solemn on his way to the ring, stop to talk to some kids at ringside. Gargano says his body hurts everyday after what Ciampa did. He says he sat down with Candice and it’s time to start thinking about “our” future and if it’s worth it. Crowd chants YES. Johnny asks again if it’s worth it after the toll it’s taken on his friends and family. Johnny says it’s definitely worth it and rips off the neckbrace and calls out Ciampa to finish this, to the dismay of Candice. Ciampa comes out and Candice sprints away, returning with referees to keep them apart. Candice convinces Johnny to leave, but Ciampa talks trash and Johnny runs back and jumps on the apron, only to be knocked off and into Candice who slams into the ramp. Ciampa looks dismayed and bails through the crowd as Johnny helps Candice. Nigel McGuiness leaves the commentary table to check on them and help Candice to the back

  • Vanessa Borne defeated Steffanie Newell. Vanessa worked over Newell’s left arm for most of the match. Newell fights back with forearms and hits a crossbody for 2. Borne throws Newell’s bad arm into the ropes and hits a running swinging neck breaker for the pin.

  • Cathy Kelley is backstage with Dakota Kai. Dakota has a title match with Shayna “next week” and says that she’s let her get into her head. Dakota calls her a bully, then Shayna interrupts, telling her the only way this ends is with Dakota unconscious. Dakota says we’ll see.

  • Lars Sullivan defeated Ricochet and The Velveteen Dream in a Handicap Match. Lars tosses Dream to the side at the start and he tags in Ricochet. Ricochet gets tossed as well and Dream gives him some strategy before tagging in. They double team Lars on each tag, but Lars eventually takes control. Dream and Ricochet hit stereo superkicks and both cover Lars, but get just a 1. Lars again powers back and takes control. Lars destroys Dream, but he keeps kicking out at 2. Lars hits the diving headbutt to Dream’s back as he reaches for a tag, and Ricochet breaks up the pin. Lars chases Ricochet around the ring, but Ricochet fights him off and Dream makes the tag. After a flurry of double team moves, Ricochet gets a near fall. Ricochet tags in as Dream does a springboard senton and hits a springboard 450, but Dream then lays him out with the chartwheel DVD and leaves the ring, allowing Lars to hit the Freak Accident for the win

May 30th Episode:

  • Kassius Ohno defeated Chad Lail. Ohno with some stiff chops and a boot to start. Lail hits a spinebuster and takes control. Ohno picks up the win with the High Tension Elbow

  • The War Raiders defeated two local enhancement talents. Didn’t catch the jobbers’ names although they were announced. Quick brutal squash. Hanson hit a springboard lariat in one guy while Rowe had him lifted for a suplex. Raiders hit Fallout for the win

  • Lacey Evans cut a promo where she accepts a rematch with Kairi Sane. Lacey’s punch finisher is called “Women’s Right”

  • EC3 defeated Fabian Aichner. There were loud NX3 chants at the start. EC3 pushes Aichner off the ropes as he goes for a springboard and he tumbled outside. As EC3 goes outside, Johnny Gargano comes out through the crowd with a contract, and grabs a mic, announcing it is a signed contract for Gargano vs Ciampa II at Takeover: Chicago in a Street Fight. Johnny leaves, and Fabian hits a crazy dive to EC3 and rolls him into the ring, but only gets 2. EC3 then hits The One Percent for the win

June 6th Episode:

  • Kairi Sane defeated Lacey Evans. Kairi aggressive again at the start. Kairi hits a headscissors off the ropes. Lacey ends up taking control and wearing Kairi down. Lacey does a push-up on Kairi while covering her for a 2. Kairi dodges a moonsault and hits 3 spears and the Sliding D, then a diving forearm for a nearfall. Kairi catches Lacey in an armbar after the kickout, but lets go as Lacey transitions to a pin. Kairi hits the Insane Elbow for the win

  • NXT Champion Aleister Black comes out for a promo. Black says since winning the title in New Orleans, it’s been a trip. He says there is dispute over his next contender, but it only takes one shot to make his opponents fade to black. Lars Sullivan interrupts and announces its Lars vs. Aleister for the NXT Championship in Chicago. Lars gives Aleister respect, but says he’s never faced anyone like him. Says he’s going to beat him and there’s nothing Aleister can do about it. Lars goes to attack but Aleister sucks it and goes for Black Mass, but Lars grabs his leg with one hand and hits the Freak Accident to lay out Aleister. Lars poses with the belt over a fallen Black

  • Shayna Baszler defeated Dakota Kai to retain the NXT Women’s Title. Dakota is clearly intimidated as Shayna backs her into the corner. Referee admonishes Shayna and Dakota spins her around, but freezes. Shayna stomps On Dakota’s leg and begins targeting her legs with kicks and holds. Shayna is just destroying her. Shayna gets an ankle lock, and Dakota makes it to the ropes. Shayna reapplies it, but Dakota fights back. Dakota hits her corner running kick and a facewash running boot. Dakota goes for a stomp, but Shayna flips her into her choke hold and gets the win. After the match, Shayna puts the choke back on, but Nikki Cross runs down for the save. Shayna looks confused and grabs her belt and leaves, but Nikki runs after her and steals the belt. Nikki challenges her to come get the belt, the grabs it and challenges Shayna to a match with Dakota as the ref. Nikki hands Dakota the title and as Shayna goes to get it, hits her swinging neckbreaker on Shayna. Dakota counts 3, gives Nikki the title and Nikki celebrates in the crowd as if she’s the new champ. Referee Drake keeps trying to tell her it wasn’t official. Nikki celebrates on the announce table with the belt and leaves it there. Shayna goes and retrieves it after Nikki leaves


Oh wow Cass…