1601

Marty Scrull is great, which is why this makes no sense.

1602

just an excuse to strengthen njpw and roh and ship his ass off to japan for some tours. everyone gets to be in a stable

1603

From what Iā€™ve been reading, Bullett Club is sort of resembling the NWO when they started to let everyone and their mother in thereby losing a lot of the exclusivity that they once had. I could be wrong. But it seems that way.

1604

Man I need to keep up with wrestling more. I remember like 4 years ago Iā€™d buy DVDs of almost every major Indy promotion. Now I can barely find the the urge to keep up with NXT.

I just donā€™t have the drive anymore. Or the energy. Im old, man. :frowning:

1605

Tell me about it. I find myself watching the highlights of Raw/SD/NXT/PPVs on YouTube. I canā€™t watch 3 hours of Raw every week. Raw really needs to be 2 hours as itā€™s far too long at 3. :expressionless:

1606

I think the Flippy shit arguments are stupid and I just like both Fists and Flips.

Every time Cornette,Austin, Rogers, Vader, etc. put out statements like this it just causes a massive shitstorm in discussions.

1607

My problem with flippy matches is that itā€™s almost always just a sequence of spots. No logic or reason goes into what happens in the match. They just do shit that looks cool.

1608

Meh you see that in any type of match though. Especially this current generationā€¦ Doesnā€™t matter if you flip or not.

1609

Honestly atm this is probably lowest number of flipping cruisers than there has ever been in America. Def nowhere close to the numbers of the early 2000s

1610

So apparently Ember Moonā€™s injury is a work, but itā€™s meant to cover up another injury.

The thing is, NJPW is built around stables so any foreign wrestling heels will just get put into Bullet Club.

1611

https://twitter.com/MontezFordWWE/status/863464612481708032
Hope this works outā€¦Angelo Dawkins has been in developmental forever.

1612

She probably already licked and sucked a bunchā€¦

1613

Why do I wanna scream Brooklyn lookin at this?

1614

The difference with Marty Scurll joining the BC compared to someone like Cody, is two fold. First, heā€™s already a greatly established talent who instead of having BCā€™s branding prop him up, he actually brings some credibility into the stable. And secondly, heā€™s actually close with The Elite (as seen in Being the Elite) and constantly palling around with them anyway so itā€™s actually a natural evolution. Oh and thirdly, ever since Kenny went up to the Heavyweights the BC was lacking a Singles Junior presence, which is especially notable when every other NJPW has a top tier Junior (LIJ has current champ Hiromu AND Bushi, CHAOS has Will Ospreay, Suzuki-Gun has ZSJ though they seem to prefer using him in the heavies so I guess Taka, and Taguchi Japan hasā€¦well, Taguchi and also Ricochet). Marty immediately shores up that part of their stable that was lacking, in a quite timely fashion with BOSJ next week.

Cody Rhodes was a terrible choice for the BC (just sticks out like a rich kid buying his way into the cool kidsā€™ group). Hangman Page was an awful choice for the BC and still is. Chase Owensā€¦well, I guess Yujiro was tired of being the designated pin taker in the tags. The less said about Bone Soldier the better. Marty Scurll was the best choice theyā€™ve had in a while.

1615

Or you can just kill the whole Bullet Club thing as it has been dead since AJ and Gallanderson left.

1616

Stables in NJPW are nothing like in the Western World. Here, Stables have a clear end game and arenā€™t supposed to last past a year or two and usually burn out when forced to. In NJPW Stables last for years upon years and usually donā€™t even die, just transform or move into a different stable. CHAOS is going on 8 years and that was initially just the entirety of Great Bash Heel minus Makabe and Honma (who STILL carry the GBH name to this day). Suzuki-Gun is going on 6 years, and that was started as Kojima-Gun (though that was only for a few months). Bullet Club is only third with 4 years. LIJ a little under 2 years, and Taguchi Japan is just this year.

At first I thought like you too, BC is overplayed, why is it still around when LIJ is the hot heel faction? But after learning and doing my due diligence, I just realized itā€™s just what NJPW has always liked to do. And it works, it gives all the 6 man tags they love to do some semblance of cohesiveness.

Itā€™s just something you take when dealing with NJPW. There is absolutely nothing to be done about it. Plus BC is still one of their hottest sellers. Them and LIJ are neck and neck when it comes to merch, but BC usually has the advantage since they have a stronger overseas presence.

1617

Am I being a naive smart mark bitch boy for wanting WWE to push a stable or two for longer than a year? Something with stability (gdi) like the four or five bad bands of yore (Horsemen/Freebirds/NWO before it got too big/etc/etc/etc)? Seems every stable with potential ends due to bad/impatient booking or politics.

1618

New Day has been going for over two years now.

1619

why? it makes money and fans love it. literally the min njpw signed a deal with hot topic i saw mad posts on my feed about it. you may not like itā€¦but bullet club is still strong.

1620

Adam Cole is gone, and njpw decides who is in bullet club, despite what wcpw says that scrub is not bc

Honestly though njpw has been a faction thing from the start

So it is more like american top team and alpha male

But bullet club already cut out captain new japan. Really the tongans are the backbone of bullet club. The bucks are lackeys think of them as the syxx

While tama and fale are nash/hall. While kenny is in that hollywood hogan spot.

The bullet club should just revert to the tongans since fale speaks japanese. And those 3 are actually over whereas the young bucks are slight

Bullet club exists for the marketing

They book the g.o.d., fale, cody, and kenny strong as hell. And the bucks are there.

The thing western fans donā€™t get is that fale and tama are actually more over than they give them credit for. Cody isnā€™t shit because he isnā€™t there touring constantly and the fans have not caught on to his signatures or his character yet because they have only seen him 3 times.

It took juice 2 years to reach this status. Elgin got over by being a hoss and his run in the g-1

Cody needs a real run in njpw. But njpw does not like freelancers. Give cody the g-1, and tanahashi matches.

Cody hasnā€™t established himself in njpw. And fans wonā€™t accept outsiders readily. Ricochet and Ospray are not really on the level of kushida and especially not kamaitachi

But hey they are very talented. To be a gaijin and get over you need to be a part of the roster and the crowd needs to buy into you and your character.

What gets over in the uk and us wonā€™t be over in new japan. What ibushi does in ddt does not get him over in new japan.

At this rate ibushi will win the ic belt as tiger mask w