The word 'Footsies' has become so abstract and meaningless

[Virtua_Leon]

that is because you dont understand the metagame behind it

i really need to level up my game

[Hecatom]

dont worry bro, you just didnt born 1000 years earlier

[otter]

Do you really need to explain? Really? Fucking stupid ass. Have you ever seen anyone win a major tournament use anyone thats not god tier on point vs a god tier win? Like having Cammy on point vs Sent? Or Cyc on point vs Mag?

you’re comparing apples to oranges, and you’re unsolicited anger makes makes it clear that you know it.

[Missing_Person]

I’m tired of hearing the words “Fighting Game.” This is so abstract and meaningless. It can basically expand to include any type of game where physical combat is involved. So Halo can be included, Super Mario can be included, Castlevania can be included.

But it’s the classification of Brawl as a “Fighting Game,” that sets this over the top as being abstract and meaningless. We should find a more detailed and less broad title for games such as Street Fighter than “Fighting Games.” This will confuse those kids at SWF, and maybe make us look cooler for playing another genre.

[Hecatom]

what are you saying, havent you played MW2 1vs 1 without fire arms, only grenades for the zoning and the knife, im telling you, First Person Fighters at its prime

[mIRC]

What I like, is a fighting game. What I DON"T like, is not a fighting game.

[Tech_Romancer]

I’m tired of hearing the words “Fighting Game.” This is so abstract and meaningless. It can basically expand to include any type of game where physical combat is involved. So Halo can be included, Super Mario can be included, Castlevania can be included.

But it’s the classification of Brawl as a “Fighting Game,” that sets this over the top as being abstract and meaningless. We should find a more detailed and less broad title for games such as Street Fighter than “Fighting Games.” This will confuse those kids at SWF, and maybe make us look cooler for playing another genre.

I agree, Missing Person, but I’m gonna say this and be done with it; on the box each game is titled with their genre, particularly in Japan. Now if you look at any real fighter, you will see “VERSUS FIGHTING” on the box. Smash has “VERSUS ACTION” on the box.

There is no confusion among the genre other than people trying to validate a game they think should be what they want it to be. And when the argument arises they go with the logical fallacy “Dev intent doesn’t matter”.

But yeah, I do see how there is some confusion, when you take the word “fighting” literally and apply it to a video game. Examples like Sengoku 3 or Breakdown.

[pherai]

“Footsies” is a useful term and everyone deep down understands it even if they can’t articulate it. For example, instead of saying “Daigo beat Choi at EVO because he outzoned him, baited crouching medium kick and punished with sweep, baited sweep and punished with sweep, and baited neutral jump over fireball and punished with fadc -> walk forward -> s.hk twice,” I’d rather say, “Daigo beat Choi at EVO because he had better footsies.”

How do you know deep down everyone understands it?

Based on my time on SRK, people have wildly different understandings of the scope of what footsies covers.

[thats_mind_games]

i like how everyones a retard that cant differentiate games based on how they are mechanically designed instead of what the pictures on the screen depict

[MAGUS1234]

To me its like
Zoning - macro sense of movement
Footsie - Micro sense.

Characters like guile who are just throwing booms and holding downback don’t need to play footsies, since their zoning game is so strong. but characters like Vega gain almost nothing from holding down back. So when i hear the term, it literally means walking in and out of your longest or most character effective poke baiting an expected action(s), or standing and moving in and out of your opponents best poke(option) waiting to safely poke in your range or attempt to stuff or hit a whiffed opponents attack. Pretty simple. Anything out of that scope is not footsies to me.

[jasonC]

How do you know deep down everyone understands it?

Based on my time on SRK, people have wildly different understandings of the scope of what footsies covers.

Do I give too much credit to everyone? I think they understand it, but they are just calling it the wrong name. A friend of mine, who knew nothing about street fighter, challenged me and said after he lost, “you don’t play like the ppl online, you hardly used any moves; you just beat me with all this punch/kick action.” So even this guy who knows nothing about sf terms can recognize something other than just special moves.

[Hecatom]

your friend has brains
the major part of SRK… not really

[B.L.Pancho]

what are you saying, havent you played MW2 1vs 1 without fire arms, only grenades for the zoning and the knife, im telling you, First Person Fighters at its prime

That’s basically MLG right there. MAJOR LEAGUE SON!

In other news, Vortex doesn’t really deserve all that much flack. It’s a series of repeated, generally safe mixups that can only really be avoided by guessing correctly once you are in it. My understanding of the word “vortex” used outside of fighting game context is a force that continuously pulls you in. It made sense to me, especially since people don’t generally use the word without a concrete example people can infer from, like “Akuma’s Vortex” for instance.

I agree with Master Jom though, most of these terms need to go away. If the word isn’t intuitive enough to serve it’s purpose than people need to agree on more lamen terminology to describe strategic behavior in fighters.

[Missing_Person]

i like how everyones a retard that cant differentiate games based on how they are mechanically designed instead of what the pictures on the screen depict

Wow, not only did you miss the boat, you were at the wrong pier.

[Hecatom]

i think that he wasnt refering to you, but im not sure…

[B.L.Pancho]

I find the tag that was associated with this thread by far the most confusing aspect of it therein. “Footsies = Gay!” Can be interpreted multiple ways. If one were to look at it from a bird’s eye perspective, it’s possible to infer that the person who started the thread is insinuating that people who utilize footsie’s are cheap, and that footsies as a gameplay aspect is thusly gay. This can in turn be identified incorrectly as another “stop being cheap thread”. The meaning is too muddled for me, perhaps we should revise.

[Tech_Romancer]

In other news, Vortex doesn’t really deserve all that much flack. It’s a series of repeated, generally safe mixups that can only really be avoided by guessing correctly once you are in it. My understanding of the word “vortex” used outside of fighting game context is a force that continuously pulls you in. It made sense to me, especially since people don’t generally use the word without a concrete example people can infer from, like “Akuma’s Vortex” for instance.

The problem is that that is covered under the term “oki”. I don’t really see the point of making up new names for stuff that’s been happening for years. New to the SF series perhaps, but I don’t see the SF series as so special it gets different vocabulary. Then again, this is SRK I guess.

I find the tag that was associated with this thread by far the most confusing aspect of it therein. “Footsies = Gay!” Can be interpreted multiple ways. If one were to look at it from a bird’s eye perspective, it’s possible to infer that the person who started the thread is insinuating that people who utilize footsie’s are cheap, and that footsies as a gameplay aspect is thusly gay. This can in turn be identified incorrectly as another “stop being cheap thread”. The meaning is too muddled for me, perhaps we should revise.

Yeah, that’s what I was referring to when I quoted Pherai…the OP’s intent doesn’t seem very clear on what exactly he’s trying to get across.

[Hecatom]

is just that the new sf4 players are ignorant of the terms used on the fighting game community, so they come with new and silly terms like vortex

[B.L.Pancho]

The problem is that that is covered under the term “oki”. I don’t really see the point of making up new names for stuff that’s been happening for years. New to the SF series perhaps, but I don’t see the SF series as so special it gets different vocabulary. Then again, this is SRK I guess.

Upon further consideration it appears you are correct in many ways about this assumption. Surely however you can see that there’s something far more powerful about the way Akuma goes about his specialized, option-filled post-knockdown game in comparison to how most other standard Street Fighter characters conduct their wakeup options. For this reason I still find the term strangely satisfying. Do not mistake my intent, I agree that Vortex remains superfluous when considerations regarding general okizeme knowledge are applied; I simply wish to convey that “Vortex” as it stands is evidently more serviceable to it’s cause than some of the other terms people are complaining about. Most noticeable amongst these is the term footsies, which can be broken down into several subconcepts that convey it’s gameplay aspect far more clearly.

[pherai]

Do I give too much credit to everyone? I think they understand it, but they are just calling it the wrong name. A friend of mine, who knew nothing about street fighter, challenged me and said after he lost, “you don’t play like the ppl online, you hardly used any moves; you just beat me with all this punch/kick action.” So even this guy who knows nothing about sf terms can recognize something other than just special moves.

Even then all he recognized was “something beyond combos and special moves.”

I like MAGUS1234’s definition, but it seems like a lot of people have notions of the term meaning something much more abstract (like your example), or something much more specific (I’ve seen definitions of footsies as something pertaining specific to counter hits). It works if youre using the term around people who understand the term the same way as you do, but I find it pretty confusing on SRK.