The Valentine Thread: MEEEDIC!

saitoryu20 · 2012-05-19T18:14:09.000Z

I personally think Updo is probably better. You can beat a lot of Peacock players by air-dashing and calling Filia when you get close. Also Updo leads to hard knockdown, which can easily lead to a kill if you’re playing Val. Hairball isn’t bad though.

Wait it’s a “hard knockdown” hmmm that’s not bad lol

Pertho · 2012-05-22T02:36:22.000Z

Updo tracks a bit and, in my experience, is a bit harder to stuff. You’d need hp updo, jab updo is also really good but it will not lead to a hard knockdown.

ghandis_spatula · 2012-05-23T17:55:29.000Z

Reposted from valentine combo thread, read the updates and posted some ideas on what valentine may be like

The main change is that the IPS counts all grounded normals as the same move. So, cr.lk and st.lk will be considered as the same normal by the IPS. I’m not entirely sure if it counts st.mp and st.mpx2/st.HKx1, st.HKx2, st.HKx3 as the same move or not either. I do know that the IPS counts command normals such as parasoul’s st.foward mp as “st.mp/cr.mp”

Just woke up/haven’t popped in the game and tested the “new” combos so I can’t tell if we have to chose between damage/oki/positioning, but this means that if we use cr.lk as the starter in any of our strings, besides the first string, we lose st.lk as an otg. St. lk otg is used in the corner usually after xx214mk since 214mk will bring the opponent back out of the corner with you right next to them. Imo, the real killer will be mp. In longer combos you’ll see rejump combo> cr.mp, cr.hp >combo > st.mp. The IPS will trigger on st.mp since the game considers st.mp and cr. mp as the same move.

Green poison changes mean that orange will be a lot more viable against teams of 2/3 or enemies with <10% HP. Purple will still be a viable option against a single opponent(team of one, I can’t remember if it’s ratio 1 or 4). Along with green poison changes, the raw tags counting towards IPS will make Green poison > raw tag less viable for damage but still viable for a meterless dhc.

One thing I do want to check out is the ability to skip her level 3 animation. Purple poison xx level 3 is a favorite trick of mine since my friend likes to run solo cerebella while I run valentine/parasoul. Letting the whole thing run changes the damage from 5000 to 7530. I know that the poison runs out before the animation completes which I like since the poison cannot kill you. However if the animation is skipped, and the damage is done from the level 3 before the poison is ran its course and they don’t die, they’ll still have the poison but won’t die from it. I’m probably just going to make a suggestion on the suggestion thread later where the level 3 automatically consumes the remaining purple poison and deals damage equal to the remaining amount…

Pertho · 2012-05-24T07:42:42.000Z

One of the combos definitely going the way of the dodo is the corner to corner using green vial. I have to check Pulsr’s combos to see which ones will stop working.

JediLink · 2012-05-29T10:02:13.000Z

Guys, I just realized something that will blow your minds.

Ready for this?

“Dead cross” is a pun on “red cross”.

BOOOOOOOOOOM

Pertho · 2012-05-31T01:27:07.000Z

Guys, I just realized something that will blow your minds.

Ready for this?

“Dead cross” is a pun on “red cross”.

BOOOOOOOOOOM

You can also tiger knee dead cross to hop over people’s low and link a j.lp on the way down.

ghandis_spatula · 2012-05-31T19:30:39.000Z

You can also tiger knee dead cross to hop over people’s low and link a j.lp on the way down.

Crazy. I’ll need to grab someone and make them my training dummy so I can test out what lows I hop over. Just some dumb stuff I found by special canceling 2369P since it doesn’t seem to be written here.

Works anywhere - 2369P xx j.236PP, land, 214PP.
Works anywhere - 2369P xx j.236PP land, 236KK.

GHNeko · 2012-05-31T19:33:53.000Z

TK Dead Cross from full hop height xx AD j.MP actually combos when you’re about a character-length away. Makes for hilarious hitconfirms.

Pertho · 2012-06-02T07:05:44.000Z

Yo HB, what is your full team and what does your opponent play? If you’re gonna be money matching I might hit training mode extra hard just to give you some dumb scumbag shit to put on video.

Verstande · 2012-06-04T02:18:09.000Z

Guys I’m new to the game but I just found out that if you are playing against Painwheel, an air HK a dummy or some thing will pop out and it can pretty much negate Painwheel’s flying move thing. Again, I don’t know much but as I was pressing buttons but this just worked for me I guess, but I don’t think that you can combo off it.

GHNeko · 2012-06-04T14:10:58.000Z

Yeah you can. j.HK is a super good move in the Painwheel MU. If you have an airdash, you can xx the j.HK into j.MK j.HP rejump combo if you’re low enough, or try to drag her down by adding a j.MP before the j.MK if you’re too high. If you dont have an airdash, canceling into Savage Bypass into Checkmate Incision for combo potential, if you have the assists and/or spacing/speed/timing, or go into EKG Flatline for damage (while giving up positioning or creating space.)

If you have a green vial loaded up, you can pretty much toss that right after the j.HK based on positioning, and get a full combo off of it.

j.MP, j.HK, and j.MK are pretty much the best moves to use against a flying painwheel.

Indianaz_Finest · 2012-06-04T19:53:59.000Z

I made a Valentine tutorial. Let me know what you guys think!

[media=youtube]J9RMbzdIis0[/media]

GHNeko · 2012-06-04T22:58:53.000Z

s.HP is superior to s.HK in terms of overall AA utility because s.HP pulls you backwards, does more damage, builds more meter, sets up for mort drop tick throw, is safer on block (-6 vs -19 to -24) without using dead cross to cancel. Also, if you do cancel into dead cross from s.HP, you move backwards, creating a small gap and adding on frames needed for the opponent to punish you with. Plus a pushblocked s.HK is way more unsafe vs a pushblocked s.HP

Age_of_Fools · 2012-06-11T14:32:41.000Z

It’s probably known but during an air normal cancelling with backdash and immediately cancelling the backdash into double jump seems like it would be a useful movement technique.

guitalex2007 · 2013-01-09T05:15:08.000Z

Hey guys, I’m finally getting to learn Valentine and I’m having an ASS time doing midscreen jump loops.

Do you guys dash with buttons or stick when you land between reps?

AsteriskBlue · 2013-01-09T06:01:16.000Z

Hey guys, I’m finally getting to learn Valentine and I’m having an ASS time doing midscreen jump loops.

Do you guys dash with buttons or stick when you land between reps?

What are jump loops?

guitalex2007 · 2013-01-09T06:53:14.000Z

Stuff like:

c.LK, c.MK, c.HP, j.MP (1 hit), j.HP xx dash j.MP (1 hit) j.HP, land, dash jump, j.LP, j.MP, j.HP, land, dash jump…

Maybe I’m using bad normals?

Tomo009 · 2013-01-09T07:37:39.000Z

you shouldn’t need to dash on landing I believe.

I’m not really a Valentine player, but what I was doing is:
c.LK c.MK c.HP > j.HP xx AD j.MP(2) j.HP > land j.LP j.MP(1) j.HK(2) xx AD j.LK(1) j.MP > land s.LP LP s.MP (all) MP (all) c.HP > j.MK (2) j.HK (2) xx HK Bypass xx Flatliner

I believe you can also just do j.LP j.MP j.HP or j.HK then j.LK j.MP j.HP or j.HK but that is easier in the corner.

Louiscipher · 2013-02-04T18:18:43.000Z

What are the best assists for Val?

AsteriskBlue · 2013-02-05T06:14:32.000Z

I do something like this:
c.hp, j.mp, j.hp xx dash j.mp, j.hk, land, jump, j.lp, j.mp, j.hp, land, st.lp, st.mp ,st.hk x3xxQCF +hk xx QCF +PP

It is…OK. I have no clue how many hits to from the multi-hit normals

EDIT: I’m only on xbox so this may need some changes for post patch rules.