This doesn’t have to be literal at all. Why are we assuming that it is literal in the Japanese? Cuz in English, it reads poetically.
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Just to see where there could be a reference to actual souls or demons or any supernatural ties to the SGS that would imply it to be a sort of other worldly attack besides from what we know it to do literally.
Of course a lot of the reading is poetically, but so is Akuma’s Alpha 3 ending speaking about how the attack effects karma. We know that the users of the attack are eventually going to be possessed by a demon if they fully commit to SnH. Also, characters like Necalli prove that things that are tied to SnH over long periods basically have their souls trapped on Earth doomed to fight forever always hungry for battle. So it seems like a lot of what SnH and SGS do are sort of related to some super natural force outside of the whole martial arts realm myths.
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Ingame i agree, he have things that could have been developed better imho
More than to please my taste (but will), as usual to be more loyal to the true artist concept instead what ingame model end up be
The eyes shape couldvery well be in that list too, but i like the yellow iris itself, it make him look not-human without group him with other existing beings (full white crew, red SnH ones) feeling new and different
While we don’t know if if we ever see a Necalli return, i never considered him as somebody that will rise in abilities… more than anything he got ridicolous high potential due his biology that allow him to become simply more powerful
Physically, as energy/ki, as absorbing ability (Akuma proven at “level 0” Nec can’t absorb powerful beings as him)
The way to reintroduce Nec as serious treat does’nt need muchstory excuse, they just need to feed him lol
But honestly even if we get a second story i think his time just passed at this point, SFV already have so much new to develop (NeoShadaloo, FF group, G) and hopefully 2019 will bring more stuff
Agree, “harvest more souls” sound very much a metaphor for using others, taking theyr lives as stepping stones to go deeper in the SnH path*
Just like for him killing Gen has been a development down in that direction, compared to when he spared his llife in the past
*wich is the biggest difference with Ryu, who instead destroy others, learn from them
Ryu know people through his fist, and after that he usually leave the fight with one more friend… even most of his enemies at least develop respect for him
Akuma don’t care about know people, he consider himself to be his own only master (in fact his training is alone, like an hermit), only improvments can come from within.
Others are just test, so after he crush them he proven his point to himself and move on for next.
He also need others as victims, because if you want walk the path of violence you need bodies to crush lol
Honestly a great read. Thank you man.
As for Gouken’s Daughter she doesn’t required to be a shoto
but she can be play like Gouken minus the Shoto attacks like Tatsu, Hado and Shoryu. Something that they did with Kage that remove his Ryu like gameplay.
We usually imagined her something more like Hokuto, Kasumi and etc that directly inherit Gouken SF4 move set without the shoto impression, that includes the donkey kick, that her special is more into counter attacks, deflecting attack and juggles.
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Same, that’s why I’m never enthusiastic about it . I don’t wanna be a DingoDowner (hah) to anyone that likes the idea of her, I just fear she may be unsuccessfully pulled off and result in a “better if we didn’t try” scenario.
If things were different and she was done earlier, I’d be all for it, but to me SF4 was the last time that it could be done without feeling like a sudden pull. I just really think her appearing out of nowhere with no real in game references to her will feel like “Oh yes, let us all remember this new character that’s always been there!” trope.
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She isn’t required to be a shoto, but you know that Capcom would be heavily biased towards making her a shoto. Just one that is different in some fashion.
I wonder if Capcom would make her a charge shoto. While Capcom has had plenty of charge characters over the years, that is a direction that they’ve largely avoided.
Though one might could argue that Capcom has shifted away from charge characters in general. I may be wrong, but isn’t Guile the only pure charge character in SFV? Not only is he the only character that uses a charge input for his CA, he is the only charge character that does not have a single regular motion special? Chun Li and Urien have a qcf, FANG and Boxer have a dp, Blanka has a hcb, Dictator has both qcb and hcb, Claw isn’t a charge character anymore… It feels like Capcom has lost interest in the idea of a traditional “charge character”, other than Guile.
Thing is, Sakura and Makoto are girly and “fun”.
Gouken’s Daughter would be stoic, noble, silent type, and as old as Chun at least. She would take her cues from someone like Hokuto than any other female in current canon.
Her fighting style would revolve around Mu, but techniques that Gouken developed later in life not during his time as Ryu’s master. She would be nothing like a shoto in this sense, far detached from Goutetsu’s original teachings.
I think the concept still has a place in SF6 and beyond.
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Thoughts about Karma, Sin and SGS:
American Zen author Brad Warner states that in Buddhism there is no concept of sin at all.[2][3] The Buddha Dharma Education Association also expressly states “The idea of sin or original sin has no place in Buddhism.”[4] Zen student and author Barbara O’Brien has said that “Buddhism has no concept of sin.”[5][6]
This probably have been discuss by others before and I also remember adding and talking about divination concept.
The concept of sin doesn’t exist in those belief that Karma exist.
That the idea of Karma isn’t related into sin, because the concept of sin was never present on Karma. Karma is more about to represent a worldly destructive force like consequences from being weak and vulnerable, also punishment for mistakes, negligence and ignorance.
Karma also exist in new age concepts, paganism and etc that access astrology and others that are about divination.
Akuma: " The Raging Demon… Its power is unequaled… It is not my fists, but your past sins that will kill you… The more evil your past doings, the more painful your death… "
- Alpha 3 Quote
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Akuma was probable saying to Bison:
That his technique is the strongest, and It’s not him that destroy Bison, but because of Bison’s KARMA (consequence) for being inferior that makes him unable to withstand his technique, that lead Bison to suffer a more painful death.
If you would look closely to Akuma’s quotes and remarks in different games majority of it talks about weakness and him being strongest, not about them being naughty or nice, good or bad or evil, moral and etc.
I felt nothing… but weakness!"
The path to mastery is lined with the corpses of the weak!
I am the Master of the Fist. Feel how weak you are with your body!
There is only one true winner. The weak definitely loses
…and much more
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If you look into Capcom recent book about creating character which is mostly about SFV characters, their goal is mostly to make everything unique. It is also revealed that they dislike more projectile game which is a essential part of being a shoto.
Another example that can lead Gouken’s Daughter to be not a shoto is how they designed Kage and the thing that it would bring Gouken’s gameplay into the game.
There goal as much as possible is to bring unique gameplay style to game.
As for charge? I don’t think those can be referred as a shoto?
Gouken’s daughter…
If she should somehow present herself in Street Fighter V, I wonder if her fighting style will be counter-based. At the same time, she would probably end up using specific techniques from the Ansatsuken line.
Like a partial inspiration from Geese Howard, Momiji from Ninja Gaiden (who practices Aiki-Jujutsu as a unarmed fighitng style), or… hell! The other characters mentioned above like Hokuto! Hokuto (Shirase) from FEXL practice a variation of such fighting styles!
Seeing this in action in SFV, along with some counter-based techniques would be a nice sight to see!
(And, the reason why I have a Noob Saibot AV is because of a bet I made with someone).
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I was thinking of the brief few KOF games where Robert Garcia was turned into a charge character, along with SFV changing Vega from a charge character.
You could create a character with the appearance of a traditional shoto moveset, but have the inputs be charges. It would give you the appearance of a shoto character, but with a different playstyle. It would fit the uniqueness aspect, and would mirror characters like Dan and Kage which keep the inputs while distorting the moves themselves.
As for the general idea of uniqueness in SFV, that restriction was relaxed with each season.
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I think the introduction of Gouken’s Daughter will follow an episode similar to SFV Gen x Akuma, whereby Akuma will fight Gouken in Post-3S, but will actually kill him to raise the stakes of the final battle with Ryu. This is the most opportune time to introduce this character. Especially if she is going to be the secret love child of Gouki and Sayaka but raised by Gouken.
Charge shoto with a playstyle that is supremely defensive and built on counter-based high damage attacks, evasion, and negation of opponents’ offense. Such a playstyle wouldn’t necessarily work very well in SF5, more reason why I imagine this character for Post-3S SF6 or beyond.
She’s probably the only “apprentice” type character that I want.
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Great write up. This thread sometimes moves too fast and I miss gems like this. <3
I think what Capcom wanted in Necalli was to give Ryua fight to reflect on his choices by offering a character from a different culture but plagued by the same murderous driving force.
If Ryu’s battle with Kage spiritually helped him come to terms at last with the SNH within, then Ryu’s fight with Necalli physically would seal the deal.
Necalli in essence is a reflection of what Ryu could’ve become. Necalli is probably in a very advanced stage of SNH; he would be like Oni (not necessarily in terms of power levels, just deterioration).
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I’m not a fan of Gouken dying, but I’m okay for a new character without the shoto elements of him.
As for Akuma.
The problem with Akuma before was him engaging to Gen’s death wish which was a poor choice to make him appealing again, it loss his sense of pride or what makes him better than those generic edgy and anti hero character.
But things change and made him better character when he can simply destroy Kage and Necali.
Because it simply prove his irreplaceable even being a ordinary mortal and cannot be destroyed by those that deemed to be unstoppable by others or those that is seen by other to be terrifying and otherworldly.
Capcom really did redeem themselves with Akuma by using both Necali and Kage.
Him going against Gouken makes him kinda less again. He just need to see Gouken as non-sense same with Ryu.
Looking back to Kage.
It’s undeniable to everyone that Kage helped both Ryu and Akuma matured and ready to become their SF3 counterparts.
As of now Akuma and Ryu is already okay and should stay were they are after Kage interaction, they don’t need more any change and update anymore in the later of SFV.
Many has high expectation with Necali, but it was actually Kage that made the job done.
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I will like Gouken to keep stay also after SF3
Oro may be the superior martial Master, but i think Gouken will be keep be Ryu’s morals Master
Gouken is an Obi Wan that survived, and Oro is waaaaay more ambiguous guide than Yoda
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Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. I’m an amateur writer of sorts. Part of the reason I like this so much. It’s like a conference of creative people.
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But the score is 2-1 Gouken. There is no way in hell Akuma is going to live the rest of his life with that looming over his head.
Akuma and Gouken will fight again, and if Akuma doesn’t kill Gouken, it is because either Akuma lost, or because Gouken pulled a Kenobi and disappeared into thin air (i.e. became one with nothingness itself).
Whatever they choose, she should have a one-handed hadouken to show her mastery of the art.