To be fair, Bison thought of Necalli much more more highly than that. ASF did a poor job of spelling this out, but Bison essentially either knew of Necalli or orchestrated Necalli’s return for the very reason that Necalli was OP. He wanted Ryu and Necalli to fight to bring out Ryu’s full potential.
The problem with Necalli is 2-fold; 1) His dumb non-VT appearance, 2) Him losing fights to side characters like Boxer.
Necalli also needed to kill someone in the first act to establish himself and the prophecy as a legitimate threat (Dhalsim was the best candidate).
We don’t need that level of detail do we? We know that Gouken is OP AF. If Gen can keep cancer at bay for 10 years with sheer will, Gouken can survive a waterfall.
I didn’t know we were still beating this dead horse.
Nash is technically the only zombie in the series (reanimated dead character).
Bison (Phantom), Kage, and Necalli (when he isn’t running amuck) are the only incorporeal characters in the series. Rose can perform Astral Projections but they are bound to her physical form.
And yes if your theoretically want Gouken’s Daughter even not mentioned nursing Gouken back secretly so explained their both absence. That would be fine either not complicated at all, that would be better than zombies, clone, illusions and astral entities.
Yet mine is the same just also working around with a different detail of information with same results as yours but bridge different gap in certain areas unexplained.
As for astral yes both Rose and Bison makes sense for those area, because they are both expertise involve psyche and spiritual in manipulation.
@Daemos I actually you can simply slip in Gouken’s Daughter in process together with Retsu making both of them helping Gouken in his recovery so we get the best of both ideas.
Making Gouken’s Daughter canonically present which also explain the lack of their presence and reference in prior games.
Not ingame. Especially his eyes which added to him being a goofball instead of the next Akuma.
I’m a proponent of Necalli not having pupils actually like in the cinematic trailer. But instead of his eyes appearing white, they are black (hollow looking). This change alone would’ve dramatically impacted how people perceived him.
Last time we saw Necalli, Akuma tore him apart, literally. I’m sure he can reconstitute himself, but post-ASF there might be less strife in the world to allow for Necalli.
There is a good chance Necalli went into hibernation again, a cycle that lasts for hundreds of years.
Unless Capcom expands his lore further to allow for his existence beyond the prophecy (which would inadvertently make one of the foundational aspects of the ASF plot utterly pointless), Necalli making an appearance doesn’t make sense anymore.
Outside the “Original Necalli” concept art, there is no reason to believe we did not see the full extent of his abilities.
The whole Necalli prophecy doesn’t fit within the whole narrative of SF story. Sure you have the whole Ryu vs Bison prophecy but that was foretold by a character who happens to be a fortune teller. Why is Necalli here outside of prophecy? Why does he resemble an ancient Aztec besides the need for prophecy, technically he could be from anywhere and his story would still work so why South America? Shadaloo did extensive work down there as evident in Blanka’s story and the fact Bison has an Alpha stage placed here. S.I.N tested weapons down there as stated in ATTB. In order for Necalli to really work with SF instead of against it his origin should be tied to this.
In my headcanon for him I want to think of him as long-dead warrior unintentionally awakened by the BLECE experiments run by S.I.N during the anime. It would explain a legit reason for him being introduced into the SF universe besides being prophecy. It would also explain his ties to the SnH and give some sort of reason on why he can do the stuff he does. He’s a reanimated corpse brought about unintentionally due to a mystic SnH science experiment (alchemy if you will). Its a much much engaging story for the once poster child of SFV besides prophecy or what not.
It’s funny because I can totally work with Necalli being some S.I.N zombie. Kind of sounds like Vasili I know…
Well there is one major prophecy and within it smaller sub-prophecies.
Primary Prophecy Prophecy (From Illuminati; SF3:2i): An inevitable apocalyptic event that will plunge the world into darkness and suffering. This event will be followed by 130 days of silence, after which the Messiah will appear to save the worthy among the people of Earth.
Secondary Prophecy (From Bison to Rose; SFA3): That Bison through/with Rose will achieve the apocalypse.
Secondary Prophecy (From Rose to Ryu; SF4): That Ryu is the last hope for defeating Bison (likely in said apocalypse).
Secondary Prophecy (From Necalli; SF5): In a time of great chaos (read: apocalypse!), Necalli will come and attempt to consume the souls of 3 great warriors.
None of the prophecies end up being true completely and not in the literal sense (I mean could Ryu ever defeat Bison in SF5 without the efforts of everyone and their mother?), but together they paint a picture of the whole.
Necalli’s prophecy fits right in I think. It’s not a big jump to suggest that his prophecy happens to coincide with a major event in human history.
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But why is he here? Why is he coming from South America? Why can he do the things he does?
Ok, let’s apply the same prophecy to the original SnH ghost Garuda. So why is Garuda here? To collect all of the souls of the SnH! Why is Necalli here besides great chaos and 3 distinct people?
Ok, well, why is Garuda in Japanese armor, despite the fact that the SnH practitioners usually originate from Japan? He possesses one of Hayate’s relatives, a character later introduced and is playable so you could tell a story by looking at his technique compared to Garuda. Necalli absorbed the warrior prophet, a character we can draw relation to Necalli by looks but really nothing else because he’s just seen in the backstory.
Why can Garuda shoot swords out of his chest and spin crazily? Because he’s a demon-possessed armor of a once dead Hayate clan member who is perverting his sword style.
Why can Necalli turn into mud or super form, his two main traits? Did the warrior prophet possess this torrent of power or ties to SnH to give Necalli his red aura? From Necalli’s own story his own original power seems to be to devour people in mud form and absorb them. He gained the traits of the warrior prophet once he absorbed him and shed his original statue form but then again why? Would he have done this with anyone else he tried to absorb like Bison or Ryu if he were successful? Go from Necalli possessed warrior prophet to Necalli possessed Ryu or Necalli possessed Bison? Why does he never use this mud form for battle as he did during his story mode?
You know how Garuda collects souls? Kills using his swords. What happens to the souls absorbed? Used as fodder to power Garuda.
See how many questions I can dissect out of Necalli with no answers as opposed to Garuda?
It’s because Garuda is self expalnitory and Necalli isn’t and he should be.
They missed the boat so bad with Necalli. Also what happened to him having a hidden genius. Here is a quick and dirty way Necalli could have been cooler.
Necalli could have been a tragic figure. A warrior that discovered the Satsui No Hado while desperately trying to defeat the Spanish Conquistadors. He is successful initially. Using the power of the Satsui No Hado to beat back the encroaching conquerors. However with each battle he slowly became consumed by it’s power. Eventually, while overwhelmed by it’s power, he slaughters his whole village. Realizing what he had done, he was driven to madness disappearing into the jungle never to be seen again or so it was thought. Anytime someone had the misfortune of unlocking the Satsui No Hado, Necalli would awaken. He’d slay the unfortunate warrior, consume there Satsui No Hado energy, and fall into a deep slumber until sensed the Satsui No Hado again.
Not flawless but i just thought that up as I wrote it. Instead of “consuming strong souls” he’d be after Akuma, Ryu, or anyone else that unlocked the Satsui No Hado. Why hadn’t he been seen before? Since he was on the other side of the world, he didn’t sense Akuma or Ryu’s Satsui No Had. Bison’s Black Moons amplification of dark ki would have awoken Necalli. Causing him to confuse Psycho Power with Satsui No Hado energy.
V-Trigger Necalli didn’t lose though, it was a draw. But yea, him losing to Balrog was stupid and didn’t do anything aside from damaging his credibility.
It would be cool if Gouken’s daughter had secret techniques that Gouken never taught to Ken and Ryu, because let’s be real, masters never teach everything to their students. Look at master Roshi, he didn’t teach shit to Goku and Krillin, only drills. But whenever Roshi fought he would pull many different techniques and it was like !!!
I don’t feel the need of Gouken’s daughter, neither does capcom it seem
We got the ultimate result of Gouken’s teachings, it’s called Ryu
Timeline SF3 Ryu it’s everything a Gouken’s student can be from his teachings, beyond that it’s add personal experience or search a new guide for the next level (wich is plot given in the form of Oro)
The ansatsuken-related group already got so many reps, i don’t know if i want capcom to cut some, but surely i don’t want see them enlarge the family
Best SF is variety mindset SF, let them use new slots for new nations and styles.
Best SF is Ryu travelling the world (barefoot lol) and trade fachepunches with new challengers/style/culture in an endless path to perfect his art
The whole reason Gouken’s daughter was ever brought up was because of Capcom. IIRC Ono said they considered the character for SFIV. Before that no one really paid that much attention to the character. After further though on the subject. I’d change the origin of my concept of Gouken’s daughter. In short I’d do the following.
Have her mother be Goutetsu’s daughter
Have her stay with Gouken until the his first fight with Akuma.
She’d discover she was pregnant and run off leaving Gouken.
Her rationale would be to stop “the cycle” from continuing.
Gouka would have natural affinity for martial arts.
She’d discover some of Goutetsu’s manuals in her mother’s things and begin to train on her own.
Refusing to fight the inevitable any longer, her mother would send her off to met her father.
She’s get to the waterfall and witness the battle between Akuma and Gouken.
While Ryu and Ken angrily tried to fight a Akuma, she’d pull Gouken from base of the waterfall.
She’d carry her father back to her mother to nurse him back to health.
Unable to find Gouken’s body, Ryu and Ken would believe him dead.
Gouka would train with Gouken from that point until his appearance in SFIV.
This would explain why Ryu and Ken never mentioned Gouken’s daughter. They wouldn’t have known about her.
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