The Street Fighter V Lounge: Kolin is COLD HEARTEEEEEEEEED!

DevilJin_01 · December 29, 2016, 9:41pm

Froztey:

Evil_Canadian:

Froztey:

DevilJin_01:

Naeras:

So what’s up with S2? I heard they buffed Guile (even gave him a medium-medium-confirm and some other nice stuff), and then nerfed the fuck out of everyone else?

HNIC_Mike:

He was solid in the non vanilla sf4 games too. He wasnt bad.

Eh, he was good in ultra. He was really mediocre in AE2012 iirc, even though Zeus won a major with him.
He did completely shit on my main (Fei) though. =(

People were saying Gief didn’t get buffed enough, but now Ino and Nemo are saying Gief will be really strong/scary. Aka we don’t know WTF is gonna happen.

honestly he’s virtually the same as S1

More stun on everything, every blocked st mp is a piledriver mixup now and lariat is finally a big boy anti air again. Virtually the same isn’t how I’d put it.

you don’t press st.mp point blank, or anywhere that isn’t too far for an SPD, lariat was fine as an AA in S1

lariat combos from slightly further out and super confirms from st.hp/st.hk is basically all he got that’s game changing

he’s barely changed, most shit was just QoL and then a lot of buffs that don’t matter

Are you really going to challenge Nemo and Ino in the tier guessing game? Fight the good fight if you must.

Evil_Canadian · December 29, 2016, 9:42pm

Holiday extended vacation to place I don’t wanna be to be with relatives I don’t care to visit.

I just want to grind s2 matches and training mode in comfort of my own home

DevilJin_01 · December 29, 2016, 9:43pm

I felt Ultra Vega was lukewarm. He wasn’t bad, but he wasn’t good. Which was still better than Vanilla where he was a super fair character compared to the high tiers and generally low tier. Wasn’t much better in the games before Ultra either.

Darc_Requiem · December 29, 2016, 9:46pm

Froztey:

Evil_Canadian:

Froztey:

DevilJin_01:

Naeras:

So what’s up with S2? I heard they buffed Guile (even gave him a medium-medium-confirm and some other nice stuff), and then nerfed the fuck out of everyone else?

HNIC_Mike:

He was solid in the non vanilla sf4 games too. He wasnt bad.

Eh, he was good in ultra. He was really mediocre in AE2012 iirc, even though Zeus won a major with him.
He did completely shit on my main (Fei) though. =(

People were saying Gief didn’t get buffed enough, but now Ino and Nemo are saying Gief will be really strong/scary. Aka we don’t know WTF is gonna happen.

honestly he’s virtually the same as S1

More stun on everything, every blocked st mp is a piledriver mixup now and lariat is finally a big boy anti air again. Virtually the same isn’t how I’d put it.

you don’t press st.mp point blank, or anywhere that isn’t too far for an SPD, lariat was fine as an AA in S1

lariat combos from slightly further out and super confirms from st.hp/st.hk is basically all he got that’s game changing

he’s barely changed, most shit was just QoL and then a lot of buffs that don’t matter

The duration of his V-Trigger was increased. That’s pretty significant.

DevilJin_01 · December 29, 2016, 9:47pm

Is it the timer or the spins that got increased? Or both?

Neclord · December 29, 2016, 9:49pm

Daigo interview about Season 2:

https://pvplive.net/c/daigo-on-season2-update

"Who do you foresee being the strongest character in 2017?

My first impressions of top tier characters for 2017 are Ken, Chun Li, and Karin, as well as Dhalsim, Guile, Laura, and Zangief as new additions to the old faces."

Frost · December 29, 2016, 9:51pm

DevilJin_01:

Froztey:

Evil_Canadian:

Froztey:

DevilJin_01:

Naeras:

So what’s up with S2? I heard they buffed Guile (even gave him a medium-medium-confirm and some other nice stuff), and then nerfed the fuck out of everyone else?

HNIC_Mike:

He was solid in the non vanilla sf4 games too. He wasnt bad.

Eh, he was good in ultra. He was really mediocre in AE2012 iirc, even though Zeus won a major with him.
He did completely shit on my main (Fei) though. =(

People were saying Gief didn’t get buffed enough, but now Ino and Nemo are saying Gief will be really strong/scary. Aka we don’t know WTF is gonna happen.

honestly he’s virtually the same as S1

More stun on everything, every blocked st mp is a piledriver mixup now and lariat is finally a big boy anti air again. Virtually the same isn’t how I’d put it.

you don’t press st.mp point blank, or anywhere that isn’t too far for an SPD, lariat was fine as an AA in S1

lariat combos from slightly further out and super confirms from st.hp/st.hk is basically all he got that’s game changing

he’s barely changed, most shit was just QoL and then a lot of buffs that don’t matter

Are you really going to challenge Nemo and Ino in the tier guessing game? Fight the good fight if you must.

Yeah, because he still has every issue he had in S1 in S2. If you had a roof with a hole in it, and put extra roofing over the parts without holes, does it fix the roof?

He’ll still struggle, and no way in hell is he gonna be top 5 - quote me, they’re wrong.

itzpookiie · December 29, 2016, 9:56pm

Does anyone want to play?
USA

Darc_Requiem · December 29, 2016, 9:56pm

Not sure on the spins, the timer was definitely increased. @Jerom , could you share your insight?

Plaid_Unicorn · December 29, 2016, 10:04pm

It’s just the timer… you pretty much can’t run away from Gief while he’s in v trigger hoping it runs out. Also more combos into first v trigger confirm

Spinning_Beat · December 29, 2016, 10:05pm

I’ll play with you.

I’m from the east coast, Maryland.

Pertho · December 29, 2016, 10:11pm

Long run I think Karin is gonna be better than cammy.

FatalSeabass · December 29, 2016, 10:13pm

What did Zangief receive that Nemo would say it’s going to be the year of Zangief come 2017?

itzpookiie · December 29, 2016, 10:14pm

send me invite
CFN JumpMore

Necrotrophic · December 29, 2016, 10:15pm

I think having reliable anti airs will keep Cammy one step ahead IMO. Especially considering cammy is just straight up stronger in s2

Spinning_Beat · December 29, 2016, 10:16pm

Ok I will.

CFN: Weedandwater

I’m only Super Gold so I’m not that good.

Plaid_Unicorn · December 29, 2016, 10:17pm

My thoughts on the roster as it stands is that some new players moved into top 10 and top 5, however the bottom have of the roster, while improved for the goal post moved further away.

Not sure how that will effect S2 variety but I’m excited

killthevibe · December 29, 2016, 10:24pm

Vega was also strong in A3. He had a really easy infinite

Eskills · December 29, 2016, 10:26pm

Any other Balrog players having trouble with Rashid and Ibuki and wanna share some insight?

Also feel like S2 is going to be really good for boxer. At the moment only feels like he loses slightly to Rashid and Ibuki, while getting bodied by Laura. Not sure on gief, definitely on the low end of my character experience.

HNIC_Mike · December 29, 2016, 10:26pm

Vhozon:

HNIC_Mike:

He was solid in the non vanilla sf4 games too. He wasnt bad.

Solid compared to who? I’m sure you played more SF4 than me, but even in Ultra he was ass.

Low damage output, especially without meter since the his entire combo game revolved around EX.FBA. Relying on EX.FBA made his quite meter hungry as well.

Highish execution. Even most of his simple combos like jab > jab or jab > strong required 1f links. And his Super and U1 both had that retarted pretzel motion input.

Shitty, inconsistent AA’s

Probably the worst defense in the game. And after blocking enough(i.e. the only thing he can do on defense), you lose your claw which nerfs your pokes and your already low damage.

The only things Vega really had going for him in 4 were decent pokes (which often got raped by Focus), his walkspeed, and his OD kara-throw.

What made him good? I ask legitimately.

His neutral game was really strong, and his throw game was top tier. If you could manage people jumping at you, he was a good character. At mid and low levels he could get derped out, but the at top level he was competitive. Upper mid tier in a 40 character game, so not bad.

You did need a secondary for matchups where the other character didn’t play neutral tho.

To directly address your points his damage was pretty high. He needed 1 bar, but ex wall combos were basically all he needed meter for. Also he got his damage without jumping. Neutral conversion damage comes up more often than max damage jump ins.

Execution was whatever. There’s a lot of high execution characters in sf4.

AAs were a player strength thing. The good Vega players were hard to pin down. You didn’t get into good position to jump that often. Defense was bad, but like I said, neutral and positioning.