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That’s a literal retcon well after the fact after fans got mad goku was being portrayed as the villain. The original intent was to show the consequences of gokus battle lust.

Bergamo the crusher laid it out and Zeno was willing to end the tournament and spare all universes and goku actively made sure it didn’t happen.

Oh! I get you now.

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But wait, they would still be erased anyways, it doesn’t change anything though.

Goku was making sure it would happen, but even WAY BEFORE THAT, THEY WERE PLANNED TO BE ERASED EVENTUALLY, maybe not in Goku’s life time, but it was going to happen.

But yes, Zeno definitely could of had his mind changed.

Well Goku IS a bum ass father and has gone cray cray for years. Dude gave Cell a Senzu bean before he fought Gohan.

Goku is actually the worse. :rofl:

Goku being some generic hero character was always wrong though, dude has always been a maniac in disguise. He has his Human side and his Saiyan side.

Pretty sure Vegeta has more Human characteristics than Goku at this point, he’s pretty protective of family - Goku barely got angry when Black told him he’d killed ChiChi and Goten with his own body.

Yes truth teller is the main thing to get.

I won’t let super off with the “Zeno was gonna do it anyway” thing that was like 12 to 15 episodes after it was obvious it was gokus fault. Toei retconing it doesn’t hide toriyamas original intention that gokus junkie highs from combat finally came with big consequences.

Remember beerus was straight up about to hakai him to prevent him from talking to Zeno cause he knew.

Goku is just too bad ass not to like, he’s the the ultimate original cliche.

Even the cliche things about him are original cause Goku is doing it.

Like eating alot, for example, how many animes have had a protagonist that stuffs his face, too many, but Goku…

In the original dub goku spared vegeta cause of mercy.

The actual dialogue is that he told krillen to let him go cause he wanted to fight him again.

Him and nappa killed like 20,000 people at the minimum and goku spared him so he could fight him again.

Goku is the biggest villain in dragon ball.

All this Dragon Ball talk

Why can’t you guys like good anime

I can’t wait to see the ununused high mortal universes in the future episodes, wonder what dark new enemies await. o_o

Goku was about to spare Frieza, someone who almost erased at least two different races from the universe

Spares vegeta to fight him again

Attempts to spare space hitler and leaves him at his word(later on knowing in resurrection of f that he wanted to fight frieza again)

GIVES CELL THE FUCKING SENZU BEAN

alledges he could beat fat buu but wanted the others to have a chance. If he could that would have saved 6 billion lives but in his arrogance he let it slide.

Tournament and power and more.

Fuck goku

Although goku had no chance at beating fat buu he’s full of shit. He just straight up ran away against a superior being.

Fat buu would go on to beat him clean in db super as well.

tbh some universes could be weak, it’s just that the average power level is around an SSJ.

So you could have a ton of mid-tier mortals instead of big bads.

This is, so far, my only major gripe with the game. It’s especially weird that they’d give the different versions of the same character (Gohan vs Adult Gohan, Goku vs. Goku Black, etc.) the same assist as that seems like something that’s going to discourage diversity (i.e. people will just pick whichever is the better version of the character). Looking at the assists that characters bring to the table I think that there will be a lot of value to be found in the most unique assists.

Lastly, between this topic and the DBFZ topic in ‘Fighting Game Discussion’ I am so thankful that lore-wise I don’t have a fucking clue what people are talking about.

The episodes are written months in advance. The “retcon” was planned.

Does that mean Goku is a hero? Fuck no, dude treats fights like a crack addict treats crack.

I was more surprised Goku actually got angry at that.

Zamasu was just roasting him at that point and then Goku started to get mad at him because he killed his family and I was like, “Wait, he gives a shit about them?”

onepice fighting game next please, thx. :fs:
steam gets the game earlyer then ps4…so two days without you guys in the online matchmaking.
netcode experience shouldnt be taken for granted then the first days :bee:

Not really. Remember he allowed Gohan to have his energy be absorbed in the buu saga.

Episodes are not written months in advance at all. About 1 month. Dbz is not some tightly run ship.

And even if that were true which it isn’t it was about 2 and a half months between its obvious it’s all gokus fault and the new reveal of naw it isn’t.

Like I said it was originally toriyamas intention so show real consequence of gokus non stop battle lust til fans complained.

Wait so SGGSS Goku, SSJ Goku and Goku Black all have the same assist, as do Mystic Gohan and Teen Gohan?

Awww, that’s disappointing. I understand it for SSGSS forms, but not for Gohan forms or Goku Black.

Yeah I don’t really care for DBZ characters and thought the lore was too much after high school. The whole charging all day to miss your spirit bomb in the next episode is lame after you see it 5 times.

So variants of characters have the same assist? That in one way is good because if they have a really good assist you know both versions will have access to it. As far as diversity goes it generally sucks and further dilutes assist options.

Captain Ginyu will probably see some play as he’s basically a walking field of self assists. Especially if there’s a way to tag other characters in after. Being able to call 2 assists at once is going to make Android 18 OD as you can call her to shut out their assist while calling yours. See her being on a lot of teams due to that

I’m only gonna play the game long enough to understand how it works. Just doesn’t seem cracked out enough for me. Need my 8 way air dash and gun functions.