it wouldn’t be that broken because antiair counterhits are pretty rare except against sim/seth, and also when people with juggle air2air normals but those juggle anyway
I’m working on a video with proof of a lot of stuff that is wrong in the main post. Btw Anotak, do you think you could check the JP for the hits in Dan’s Super? I have a theory, I want to know if it is true.
Dan Super:
1: JP = 0 - CCSK
2: JP = 1 - CCSK
3: JP = 2 - CCSK
4: JP = 3 - CCSK
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18: JP = 17 - CCSK
19: JP = Infinite - CCSK - Knock Down (Standard)
Here’s the vid (Still processing atm): [media=youtube]HpYRANKAudY[/media]
[media=youtube]LkY7qRv_WcE[/media]
Just a short and simple Ken video demonstrating how minor differences can have major effects 
Yes, the first hit doesn’t have FKR, only the 2nd hit.
Goukens backthrow doesn’t cause float knockdown, it appears it hits as if the enemy is standing… So it’s not even float knockdown, well, even that doesn’t define it… moves will cause reset. howeve it’s peculiar.
first hit of his Tatsu causes float knockdown but not reset, so a second makes standard. However you can do backthrow then Tatsu then Ultra. Which shouldn’t work.
Unless i’m mistaken >_<
You mean it hits like they we’re simply jumping? i assume you mean because EX palm hits twice.
Kich, why don’t you update the OP?
Yeah, basically that. (Does Gouken have any moves that act differently on standing/jumping opponent (that do some form of knockdown on both)
If Kich has done a runner or not keeping track i’ll take the responsobility of making an updates SSFIV version of this thread. 
But he still may be around, who knows.
I’m assuming that because Gouken’s back throw doesn’t actually hit the opponent it isn’t considered a conventional state at all, it just immobilizes them like Fei Long’s command grab does. I think of it as an identical state to the one you get after a focus attack.
I’m guessing you mean the stage 2 of a crumple stun. Makes sense.
Someone gonna make a SSFIV version of this thread? Don’t have time to tend it…
i will be doing one… Uhh, i have to get SSFIV first
I have some decent data for Juri and Guy. It seems like thy have included a new property though. YOu can’t juggle after some moves, even though you should. For example, you can’t do 1 hit machinegun upper -> Ultra 2 with DeeJay. DeeJay seems to be plagued by this property a lot.