THE SF4 BEGINNERS Thread! NEW? POST HERE FIRST!

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So theres no way to stand up and block for some time without walking backwards?

Assuming your opponent is not continuously attacking you while you’re blocking then the only way for you to do so is when in the corner, otherwise crouch block if you don’t want to move at all and continue blocking(but remember overhead attacks still connect while you’re crouch blocking).

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Thanks for the answer Wonderpug, where can i download this said demo of super turbo hd remix? i cant findt it on either US PSN or EU PSn…?

Did you try accessing the Playstation Store? Should still be there last time I checked.

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Well I’m quite well into SF but not into playing with a stick (I am playing for like 3-4 months).
I used to play SF3 with a pad and i had no trouble at all doing combos like cr. lkx3 into super.

Then I got a stick for HD Remix and I played mainly charge chars. I tried Ryu but I am not that good in double qcfs while playing with a stick (I had no trouble at all with the pad, at least from the p1 side).
The fun part is that my double qcfs with a pad sucked from the p2 side, while I had trouble with double qcfs from the p1 side.

The bottom line is that I can’t perform these motions that fast with a stick (at least after 3 cr. lk SF3S/CVS2 style).
I know that all i have to do is practice but I want to know how hard is it to do a FADC into ultra compared to all this stuff.

E.g. with Ryu do you have enough time for the double qcf after the fadc or you have to be lightning fast?
I also find it hard to cancel standing hits into supers, but ok that’s another matter.
For now my main worry is the FADCs into Ultras which as it seems is the basic setup for using your ultra effectively.

Oh, I also have to improve my P1 side playing (don’t know what I am doing wrong) but I even miss single QCFs at times, while i never miss a QCB.

It’s not surprising that you have a harder time executing Super Cancels and the like on a stick since you did say you started out on a pad first, practice with execution and timing will only help in this and other areas.
To answer your question about Ryu Focus Cancel/Saving Attack into Ultra you ave to be pretty quick in order to do so. I’d look at Daigo Umehara’s tutorial on YouTube to help answer your questions, here’s the links:
Part 1
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Part 2
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I am by no means a beginner to fighting games, but I have a very beginner question.

How do you do a FADC fast enough to actually pull it off? I mean, I know it’s MP+MK and dash forward but, I could never do it fast enough.

I’m, used to fast button commands. I’ve done kara demons in 3S with a PS2 controller, I’ve done dash to Gigas Breaker with Hugo, I’ve done a fair share of easy-to-mid combos… granted, nothing pro level, I’m using those as simple examples rather than bragging. Just that I know how to do stuff to “hide inputs.” Stuff like that 7-hit combo DeeJay has in HDR people used to get the combomaniac achievement. It’s cross-up mk, c.jab, c.jab, c.jab, rh rising kicks. As SOON as you jump you start holding down for the charge move. Stuff like that.

My problem has never been with execution, always with learning the match-ups and pulling off links (chains were easy) but I just could not do a FADC out of a special move to save my life.

Granted, I only played SF4 for one day up at TGA (I drove to Massachusetts to visit a friend back in November and knew very little about the game) but it’s tough. Is there some sort of buffer? Example, let’s say you want to Shoryuken then FADC, it would be F,D,DF HP >> MP+MK -> ->. But I couldn’t do it quick enough to avoid going airbourne. Can you do like ->+MP+MK then -> instead? Like, having the first input for the dash be “hidden” in the FA?

Sorry for the simple question, but I tried to search for an answer but had no idea what to type in the box. FADC brings up damn near every topic, and I didn’t know what other keywords to use. Easy? Simple? Buffer? Hell, I don’t know. Maybe I just need the get the game and practice to figure it out myself. But surely there’s a sneaky shortcut to hide a step to make it easier? I think my problem is that I feel rushed after I do the DP motion.

Sorry for the long post, I guess the simple question is… is there a shortcut or do I just need to “L2Pscrub?”

Watch these two videos to answer your question:
Part 1
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Part2
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I am new to sticks specifically, I have some questions.

How hard should I grab my stick? Meaning what’s the preferred amount of pressure one should hold it so moves can come out smoother and faster.

Best way to jerk the stick? You know, when you’re doing a move and you need to quickly jerk your stick backwards or forward. Should you grab the shaft with all four fingers, 2 fingers or thumb?

Basically looking for general tips to improve my move penetration and execution. I got a TE stick so I already will be using the best, now it’s time for the skills to follow up.

Watch these:
Part 1
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Part 2
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I have two questions and I swear I’ve read every link in the sticky and all of this topic:

1. If you chain c.lk, c.lk does it mean you actually cancel the first lk into the second?

2. When I hit someone after lv3 fa, they fall back (back, not to ground mind you) like I just hit them in the air, so I can’t continue to combo after first hit. But sometimes they stand there so I can continue to combo. Why and when does this happen?

Whenever you Chain moves together such as the ones you mentioned it cancels the first move and goes into the next normal

For your second question since you hit your opponent while they’re airborne they’ll always fall/fly back since they cannot fall to the ground(imagine your a bat hitting a baseball). When there on their knees there considered to be in a Crumpled State when this happens you may Dash Cancel out of the Focus Attack a.k.a. FADC in order to follow up with another combo.

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It’s all a matter of preference you should be able to feel the difference I’m sure since you’ve played with arcade sticks longer, so really you should be able to answer this question for yourself.

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Hi
I’ve never really liked Street Fighter games. I downloaded the Trial for the Xbox Live Arcade SFII game and wasn’t really a massive fan.

However, I do love fighting games and I’m willing to be converted mainly because SFIV looks wicked and the review scores are impressive (although are they based on nostalgia?). Just a couple of questions…

1. From playing and watching SF it seems like characters only have 3 or 4 moves that they can use. Are characters really so boring?

2. I love games like Tekken and Soul Calibur because of the vastly diverse characters and the different ways you can play with each character. Does SF have this sort of depth? (and I don’t mean learning Frame Rates and stuff… that database depth I don’t really care for)

From what I’ve seen, SF seems really limited in what you can do with characters… like spamming the same 3 moves and such (I’ve watched that huge guide on Youtube, it seemed a lot like Rock-Paper-Scissors). Does this game have hidden depth and variety or are people still playing this ‘archaic’ game mostly for nostalgia reasons? I don’t really want to pay ?40 for this game and realise I should have just waited for Tekken 6 and saved the cash.

Of course when Isay archaic and spamming and such, this is just how I see Street Fighter at the moment. I really WANT to get into this game, but it seems so different to what I’m used to so I need your help!

Thanks

A game or fight only becomes limited when YOU decide to limit yourself to a certain amount of techniques and disregarding the rest, by doing so would take away from the “depth” your looking for, and seeing as how you come from mostly a 3-D fighting background 2-D fighters may seem to lack the “depth” you’re looking for.
As for your Rock-Paper-Scissor comment all forms of fighting come down to precisely that even after having learned all there is to possibly know. “Spamming” seems to be thrown around pretty carelessly by many people(mostly when people have a lack of understanding of a character and/or game), and since you come from a 3-D fighter background it’d seem as if you fall into this category of people who use the word “spamming” and/or “spam”.
Please take no offense to my response as I meant no harm or tried to degrade your skills and knowledge as fighter in anyway. It just really bother’s me when people are too quick to judge or give conclusions regarding certain subjects without bothering to fully understand what they’re doing.

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I have compiled some newbie questions:

1. What is “SuperJumping”?

2. What is a “Reversal”?

3. What is the difference between a “chain”, a “link”, and a “combo”? Do they all mean the same thing?

4. Your character glows white when your FA is charged to level 2 and you glow yellow when its fully charged (or so I’ve read). But how come I see alot of videos where the character is flashing yellow while doing a shoryuken or some other special move? Usually its at the middle/end of some combo, so its hard to believe that they fully charged a FA before doing the special.

1. What is “SuperJumping”?
   Super Jump is basically as the name implies it’s a super version of your normal jump allowing your character to move farther across the screen, to do so press D then immediately press U, UB, or UF to have your character Super Jump in the desired direction. Super Jumping may also be used to cancel certain Normal, Special, Super, or Ultra moves of certain characters, C. Viper is probably the best example for this.
2. What is a “Reversal”?
   When you execute an attack right after you blocked your opponents attack or are fully standing after getting up off the ground from a knockdown or sweep.
3. What is the difference between a “chain”, a “link”, and a “combo”? Do they all mean the same thing?
   **A Chain is when you cancel the animation of a normal into another normal which is generally only possible with Jab(LP) and Short(LK) since they have little startup and recovery frames. Chain’s require no specific timing and may be pressed as fast as possible until you’re out of range to connect another one.
   Links require specific timing compared to a Chain. Take for example Ryu’s Low Strong(MP), Low Strong(MP), Low Roundhouse(HK)if you try to input them too quickly they won’t come out, if done too slow the intended move will come out but be blocked/miss/hit depending on your opponents reaction. Links can only be successfully carried out by constant practice and repetition.
   A combo is simply when you Chain or Link a series of attacks together thus, forming a combo.

NOTE
You cannot Special Move or Super cancel a Normal move if it has been Chained, however if you Linked the Normal you may do so**.
4. Your character glows white when your FA is charged to level 2 and you glow yellow when its fully charged (or so I’ve read). But how come I see alot of videos where the character is flashing yellow while doing a shoryuken or some other special move? Usually its at the middle/end of some combo, so its hard to believe that they fully charged a FA before doing the special.
The reason you see a yellow Shoryuken is because the player used what’s called a EX move which is a powered up up version of that character’s special move, this is done by inputting the command for that Special Move then pressing two Punch or Kick buttons instead of one.

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Did i read that right? shouldn’t it be 360-> works with 360 and pc?

He/She could be referring to the fact that they’ve seen hacked/modded Xbox 360 controllers do this or use some type of converter, or adapter.

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Superjumping is not in the terminology page. It is only mentioned on the acronyms guide. I still don’t know what that is.

Added: And, I have painstakingly figured out why characters flash yellow. Its not from focus attacks, and I don’t think it happens in FADCs either. Characters flash yellow when doing EX moves.

The other person meant they glow yellow after a Focus Cancel/Saving Attack…sigh…I wish people would stop confusing FADC with Focus Cancel/Saving Attack

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i have a question about special moves linking to supers/ultras, for example can i do the qcf motion of an ex hadoken with ryu and just do one more qcf motion and all three punches to get the ultra out, or would i have to input 2x qcf after i do the qcf motion for the ex hadoken? (very noob i know but i was never sure) thanks in advance.

You can’t Link Special Moves, Super Combo into an Ultra but you can definitely combo into them. Take Ryu’s Ex Hadoken for example you can combo it into Metsu Hadoken if you’re in the corner, however, if your trying to combo it mid screen you need to Focus Cancel/Saving Attack out of the EX Hadoken then input the double QCF for Metsu Hadoken(you need a minimum of three bars in your EX Meter to do this). If you didn’t get the last part of my sentence, yes, you have to input the full motion for Metsu Hadoken.

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That would be technically a cancel, and there are no traditional ultra-cancelable moves in the game, unless you count Dan’s Super Taunt (although people seem to tell me otherwise).

Agreed. Excellent as always LordofUltima love your videos on YouTube they’ve helped me gain a better understanding of the game overall and solidify my foundation the fundamentals of fighting games in general.

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Man, After years of being a Pad Player on Street fighter, and 2D games in general. I Finally decided to not bullshit myself and step my game up to the next level.

I am learning a Stick, I got the TE Fight stick, and it is a great piece…I mean Wonderful. Only problem is that I played this with a trial Street fighter 2 HD Remix and None of my shit came out accurately…

I lost all my potential than when I used a controller…I can’t even Dragon Punch on command anymore with a stick. I know there are others here like me whom are pushing the controller aside and using a GREAT Arcade stick for the first time.

My question to the experts are…

How in the fuck do I hold the damn joystick to make my moves come out…at all Dragon punches and the like. Linking normals to special moves is impossible.

I am not going back to pad…I’m finally starting Stick after years of pad playing. I haven’t used a stick since SNES days for street fighter and Arcades occasionally.

Anyone here I know can relate…HELP please hehe

This helped me greatly to become better with the arcade stick:
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I would like to know how easy it is to combo let’s say a jab into a charge super.
Is it like SF2T where most people did something like charge db, cr lp x2, f, b+lp, f+p or is it easier like charge db, cr lpx2, f, b, f+super?

I want to know if the timing for something like that is lenient or not because in turbo it was pretty sick for me and I always used renda cancel instead of adding a standing jab.

Oh I also know that supers are almost useless and stuf… but ok just asking.

It’s not too hard with enough practice if you’re pretty decent at buffering inputs then just practice in training mode with the Input Display set to on so that you make sure your inputs are clean, and there are no unnecessary inputs added. The overall timing is not too strict and shouldn’t give you that big of a problem to adjust to, Street Fighter IV and Street Fighter III Third Strike: Fight For the Future seem to be the most lenient ones when buffering Normals into Supers especially for charge characters.

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One of the first questions that came to mind was already asked Now I know which way to block Rufus’s highly annoying looking dive kicks.

Another question I had is i’ve been hearing a lot about FADC’s lately and im not going to pretend to fully understand them yet but does anyone know if they are adressed in the training/challenge mode?

As per some analogies made earlier in the thread i’d rather be given the spoon than etc etc.

Roll on friday, although mine might not arrive till saturday :\

FADC is not covered at all in Training Mode or Challenge Mode.
I believe you’r referring to Focus Cancel/Saving Attack which is covered in the games manual so I suggest you read that.

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Question for the pros:

I’m working through the challenge mode, doin the combos etc, but I’m finding it hard to understand the timing for some of these combos. E.g. Jump+HK, HP, Shoryuken, Shinku Hadoken. I NOW know that you’re cancelling the shoryuken and buffering the super, but thats only after 1million attempts at the combo >< Is there a way to know beforehand how to time these combos?

It’s even hard doing a Jump+HIT, HIT combo sometimes, gotta time it ><

Yes, I am a newb.

Wow, just noticed I’ve been lurking for 2 years ><

Practice, practice, practice my friend. My best advice would be to make sure you can consistently and confidently execute the Special Move and Super Combo of your character, once you’re able to do so then begin to tackle the specific combo your having difficulty with. If you’re still having problems then double check your inputs in Training mode with the Input Display on to make sure you don’t have any unnecessary commands input, if there are none then I suggest breaking down the combo into parts.
Watch these two videos which I’ve recommended to many others to help them with execution, timing, combo difficulties, etc.:
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A few questions.

1. What are the differences when you are stunned? Sometimes theres skulls ontop of your head and sometimes its stars?

2. How do you kara throw? (ken/ryu) Do you press jab,short,forward at the same time?

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Hmmm…never noticed the skulls in Street Firghter IV but I know they’re in the Street Fighter II series though. If they’re in Street Fighter IV then I’d have to check that out and do some research on it if it has any impact on the game.

A Kara Throw is where you input your characters Normal then immediately cancel its animation with a throw, doing so will increase the range of your throw allowing you to throw your opponent when you’d normally be considered out of range for a normal throw.
Kara Throwing varies for each character to Kara Throw with Ken you must input F + High Forward(MK) then a 1/2 a second later press Jab(LP) + Short(LK). If done correctly you should see Ken move forward a little bit then execute his throw.

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FADC is not covered at all in Training Mode or Challenge Mode.
I believe you’r referring to Focus Cancel/Saving Attack which is covered in the games manual so I suggest you read that.

Actually you do have to pull a few FADC in some hard trial challenges, but its not explained how to do it(nothing is lol), if thats what you meant i apologise for correcting you, i just felt it needed some clarification.

Greetings SRK community, im new to the SF universe, but i found allot of useful info on this forum to improve myself, also some nice ppl here as i see.
This is my first post and just wanted to say hi

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new to street fighter 4

I have never played street fighter in my entire life. I completely avoided it. I started to play super street fighter 4 recently when my friend brought his 360 into work. I was really really bad at the beginning because I mostly play first person shooter type games and never fighting games. I have been playing for 3 weeks now.

I have recently purchased regular street fighter 4 for the pc and I wasn’t very good at using a logitech controller with it. I decided that it would be best to run to gamestop to get a fightstick and the only one they had was a round 2 tournament edition fightstick(works on 360 and pc) for 130$ which I decided to buy. I friggin love the thing. I had a really hard time getting used to it but its growing on me, I never even played with the arcade ones so it’s a completely new feeling.

With all that being said, I just wanted to say hi and I will most likely be coming to this site to read anything and everything because whenever I win a game online I feel it was more because of luck then because of skill.

I would also like to know if there is a certain preference people use to set up their buttons on the fightstick?