That would be awesome if you could get Apoc’s opinion Hanzo!
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^ That’s my best guess at tiers.
I know Watson said Blanka was undisputed tops. Ryu and Guile feel like they’re about the same power level. Guile definitely bodies Ryu almost free as all hell.
Is Schaffear om twitter? That’d also be a good person to ask.
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Respectfully, I think the consensus is that Ryu is better than Guile in HF, both overall and in their head to head matchup. Ryu is either number 1, or he’s number 2 behind Blanka. Guile is also near the top though, probably in the 3 or 4 spot.
Schaeffer would be a great guy to talk to about matchups.
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Ryu doesnt beat Guile In HF. Not even the SRK wiki says that.
Why do you feel Ryu has an advantage?
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To be honest my opinion is based largely on what I’ve read that experts have said. Guile can’t keep up in the fireball war so the onus is on him to attack, which is a disadvantage. Tatsu goes over sonic boom for good damage. At expert vs expert level Ryu can crouching roundhouse Guile’s crouching forward kick on reaction. It’s well known that Tomo used Ryu and Guile exclusively but that he really loved Guile. I remember Watson saying that the strength of Ryu in Hyper Fighting compared to Guile, and strong Ryu players like Watson himself made it such that Tomo was somewhat “forced” (not the best word) to use Ryu more. The top Ryu wolves were able to nip at Tomo’s Guile more than they could Tomo’s Ryu, and this was because Ryu was a stronger character than Guile.
Or something very close to that.
- edited a typo from “or” to “of”
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Ryu vs Guile requires one key skill that to date I have only seen maybe a few people master. when Guile whiffs a cr.MK, Ryu can trip it clean with cr.HK. This is one hell of a reaction to learn and way back in the day, I could do it 100%. When you specifically look for this and stay at a distance where Guile will try to do a cr.MK to gain ground advantage, try to take a step back with Ryu so it whiffs and you can counter. This is seriously one of the main keys to this fight that I have no seen anyone do for the longest time. Ryu can never jump at Guile either, he has too many options. Air throw, cr.MP into ground throw (i.e. gamepro strats lol), s.HK is really really good for anti air, then last but not least, cr.MK or cr.HK from a distance cause there is no trip guard in real SF games.
Thats from the Wiki. So Ryu can fight Guile if you can do this one ridiculous thing during footises according to Watson.
If you need a 1/100,000 reactions to beat a match up, then I dont think its winnable.
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Yeah, most people can’t do that trip. That doesn’t mean that Ryu still doesn’t win the matchup without it Mr. Laughing-To-Tears. It is a good question. Does Ryu still hold the advantage in the matchup if the Ryu player can’t do “the trip”.
Either way, Ryu is capable of it and it’s down to the player, so Ryu should get credit for it.
Guile also recovers more slowly after a sonic boom than he did in Champion Edition.
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Ryu doesnt win that fireball war though. Guile may recovery slower than CE, but its still leagues faster than Ryu. Guile’s cr.mk is also hilariously long shutting that down is essential, otherwise guile is just gonna eat up hadouken start up with it.
So you’re gonna jump at Guile who can flash kick, cr.hp, st.hk or just air throw for getting in his air space. You need a good read kn a boom with tatsu to work him up close
Nobody said anything about jumping in on Guile. With the right spacing I do think that the fireball war is Ryu’s advantage. Bottom line, Ryu can churn projectiles out faster than Guile can. We agree that Ryu can Tatsu over Booms in close.
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Guile has his strengths too, for sure. In close when the projectiles cancel each other Guile recovers first (if they started at the same time) and he can spinning backfist Ryu, etc. But I do think Ryu is better.
Tatsuing a boom isnt the most reliable tactic, just faster than a jump in. If you misread a boom you end up in a really bad spot.
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Dude when are we going have this battle???
We have to do it. I am looking forward to it. My next Monday and Wednesday are pretty busy but if we can’t fit it in there let’s do it soon. Maybe November 25th or 27th during the day? Does that work for you?
Hmm…so far…but coming closer to the day i will let you know.
Sounds good.
Yo, Mention, what are you doing right now? I am going to hop on my PS4 and practice on that Mad Catz TE2 stick. I’ll play you now if you are free.