Just a warning, y’all. We’re about to be spammed by wannabe Shulkie players since the Grand Finals at Final Round is She-Hulk versus She-Hulk.
This forum is gonna get overloaded.
I actually don’t think so, people will pick her up, realize you actually have to work to be good with her, and put he down immediately in favor of someone less difficult to play. Justins been running shulk for over 3 weeks now and we didn’t have a noticeable influx of wannabe shulks, I don’t think this is gonna change anything. I mean the average marvel player can’t even perform her BnB since the track stance cancel is just so different.
On a separate note, that reset he had going in the corner against combofiend was ridiculous, like what do you do against that lol? And it seems shulks AA command grab beats skeletors arrow hyper, so thats good to know, have to test out to see what else it beats.
Perhaps. We expected an influx after Winter Brawl and that didn’t seem to happen but I figured a double She-Hulk finals at Final Round would trigger one.
In any case, to me, it looked like Combofiend had a better She-Hulk but She-Hulk plus Gustaf fire is crazy good. Did we see either of them go up against a stiff keep away squad?
My friend called me to tell me about Final Round when it was happening. This was the conversation.
Him: "Dude, just called to tell you that the finals in Final Round are Wong with She Hulk/Tron/Amaterasu vs. Combofiend with She Hulk/???/???."
Me: "Wow"
Him: "So get ready to see lots of She Hulks"
Me: "Are they at least using her properly?"
Him: "Well, Wong is trying the same shit but Combofiend is actually going for all those resets you go for all the time."
Me: “Combofiend is going to win.”
Well, what do you know? You can’t just pick up She-Hulk and ignore her best assets.
While I can’t recall any keep away teams that either of them went up against, I find it VERY hard to believe that they would make their way through a 320 man, sentinel filled tournament without running into a few keep away teams.
@guitalex2007: We must have been watching different she-hulks then, justin did a shit ton of resets on combofiend or did you miss the corner trap he kept doing on combofiend after every combo? Just cause he didn’t go for a standing command grab reset doesn’t mean he didn’t go for a lot. In fact Im willing to say justin actually had the better she-hulk, combofiend just had the better team. Go back and watch those replays, half the time justin beat combos she-hulk, but taskmaster and spencer would come in and clean house.
Hit me up with a link with the match, because if you’re referring to repeatedly Gustaff Fire resetting in the corner, that is exactly what my friend referred to as “the same shit”, because that is all he did in the last big event.
IMO JWong could do what he does with Shulk with any other character + Tron assist. He did start using some command grabs and resets though. Still does shitty combos.
If it’s working consistently he doesn’t really need to change it. He took the first set 3-0. His Tron tricks had Combofiend in a situation where is he pressed a button out of an OTG Torpedo he would get hit by Gustaf fire or Super grabbed and if he didn’t he’s be hit with M-Heavy Strike. Combofiend did more complex combos on Justin but Justin’s She-Hulk+Tron was, again, crazy strong.
The Spencer forums may see an influx. Honestly I was hoping to find someone to replace Ryu on my teams that has at least 1,000,000 health I was contemplating Spencer or Wesker. Spencer may be it.
Well combofiend had no answer for it, all match, so why should he change it? And despite that he did change it up, he didn’t just go for the air to air grab anymore, he mixed in the anti air command grab and the AA hyper into it, when combo started teching the grabs he started going for ground to air command grabs. Besides, what was combofiend doing that we hadn’t seen already? He did two command grab resets all set, so its not like he was basing his entire offense around that either.
But why are we arguing about this? They were both amazing she-hulks, and I can’t wait for the sp00ky to upload it so we can pick apart the gameplay.
how are people canceling from the run so fast. you don’t even see when she crouches to do it.
It takes some practice but its not that hard. Just practice the reps :d::d: :s: Neutral :f: :s: The :d::d: commands remind me a lot of Melty Blood. To get the launcher try and double tap the :s: Mashing doesn’t help its all in the timing dude.
I’m not arguing about it; Brahma said it best. What he was doing with She Hulk last time he could’ve done with anyone else. It left a sour, shitty taste in my mouth seeing She-Hulk be played in such a subpar manner.
I am merely hoping I am at least satisfied with his performance this time. That’s all I have to say.
Subpar compared to what other She Hulk player who consistently wins tournaments? As Jak said, if all Justin needs to do is mix up with very basic She Hulk stuff, then don’t fault him as a player. The fault is with his competition for not adapting or learning how to deal with her. A lot of tourney players don’t always go for the best damaging combos or resets. They go for things that are consistent and easy so that they can land them under pressure. If you guys want to see some uber She Hulk tourney play with run cancels and TACc in a long ass combo then feel free to start winning big tournies with her. Show Justin how it’s done.
Yeah, because I have the means to go to gaming tournaments and take days off of work.
Her most damaging combos ARE easy and consistent. The hardest thing I’ve seen with her is run cancelling OTG torpedo into Emerald Loop and relaunch, and I already have that down after a single night of practice. She takes work, but damn, it’s not something that can’t be done. Especially for tournament players who played MvC2 which has a lot more strict timing.
You can say that maybe I’m expecting a bit too much, and you may be right. But if a tournament player is picking my character, subjecting me to possible future hate mail telling me that I only pick She Hulk because I ride some big tourney players nuts, is it too much to ask to have them REALLY show them how it’s done? I’m not saying Combofiend/Wong are BAD, but the last match I saw Justin Wong play She-Hulk, it seemed like he just didn’t bother because he’d found a corner loop instead. Why TACc (which he only did once out of the entire match’s worth of launches), which is EASY, hard-to-nearly-impossible to escape from and guarantees a relaunch for a more damaging BnB?
Because Tron assist exists? He’s gonna have to do better than that. Combofiend already saw through the whole thing, and even if he didn’t have an answer for She-Hulk, he did win.
I’m not faulting Justin as a player or saying his Shulk is terrible. His fundamentals and understand of the game are super solid. I just think that he doesn’t use Shulk to her full potential. There are just a lot of situations with Shulk where he could do a better combo and kill a character instead of burning meter. There were a few times when using OTG torpedo run cancel flashkick would have killed combofiend, and instead he used hyper.
Stuff like command grab, j.hs, c.mhs sj. mmhs OTG torpedo, cannon does about 16K less than command grab, clothesline, c.hs sj. mmhs OTG torpedo cannon. Not even counting TACc which adds about 60K. A few times opponents were in pixel rage and could have killed with TG torpedo~run cancel flashkick, even with the chip on blocked flashkick, but he burned meter instead. He doesn’t add OTG torpedo after full emerald cannon for reset attempts and extra damage either.
Again, I’m not saying his Shulk is garbage or anything, he does what works and gets wins. I’m just saying imagine how much scarier his Shulk would be if he used her to her full potential.
I do agree with that, his shulk was basic, he used some interesting set-ups towards the end there but overall it was a basic shulk. But if you watch some of the earlier matches in the brackets youll see he kept dropping a lot of the stuff he tried and it almost cost him the set against too much damage, so Im guessing he wasn’t very confident in his execution and decided to keep in simple. In fact if you rewatch the finals, in the final match against combofiend, he goes for a TAC glitch combo and messes it up, tagging tron in and pretty much costing him the entire match as a result.
But yea I do hope(but doubt) he sticks with shulk and explores some more stuff with her, cause personally I did think he had the better she-hulk.
I am looking forward to see how far he goes with her. I just want him to WOW people with her, and at least after FR14 people are actually taking notice.
With someone like Shulkie it’s easy to be intimidated because she takes a lot of work, but if Wong can have the reflexes to play MvC2 professionally and plays Wolverine in MvC3, I’m sure he has the execution skills needed.
Don’t mind me and my depressed ramblings. lol
That’s terrific if you can get her more advanced combos consistent in one night. Maybe Wong can’t? Maybe he doesn’t want to do anything overly difficult (relative to him) because dropping it in a tourney match will cost him the victory? As mentioned, a lot of tourney players don’t play their respective characters “to their full potential.” So what? I’m sure there are some Tron players that are mad because Justin uses her primarily as an assist. We’ll just have to disagree on the issue. I very much believe that a tourney player should only do what it takes to win–if that means shitty day 1 combos then so be it. I’m not singling you out on the whole “go to a tourney and show a great she hulk” thing. That goes for everyone here who says that Justin is wasting her potential. Yes he could be doing more flashy/damaging/whatever combos and resets, but he currently has no incentive to do so if the competition doesn’t adapt. I’ll be more interested in seeing how his competition changes in the coming weeks/months to deal with his stuff. Then the burden will fall to him to change up his shit.
This character is stupid to fight. LOL.
Looks like we’ve all seen the power of this character now. She’s definitely surprisingly strong.