Is Honda’s HP dosukoi safe on block against rufus? Besides U2 punish i mean.
This is what I use, it’s not new, but oh well…
At 3/4 to full range of CW, you can beat it cleanly with far s.hp, similar to the distance you want Yun to be in to dp kick his CW.
Use c.hp sparingly as his rekkas can punish it on block. Same with your sweep.
Fei’s 2nd rekka on block isn’t always safe and can be punished with c.lp ex tornado. You have to know this distance, especially when you are in the corner. far s.mp trades/beats whiff rekkas(1st, may trade if 2nd one comes out).
In corner, do not OS tech with c.mp, this loses to his command grab. I believe crouch tech works as c.lk will beat his command grab.
Block standing, punish with c.hp, or ex tornado. Depending on spacing, c.hp should work on medium headbutt too. When advancing or walking back, be careful of Honda’s s.hk which hits low, if you are familiar with the range, you can bait it and punish the whiff.
In my opinion Fei Long by far, MK Chicken Wing spam fucks Rufus up because of its stupid hitbox that hits as a crossup. Feis Ex Chicken Wing escapes crossup dive kick pressure and can’t be punished unless you’re using U2, but that’s not worth using over the benefits of U1.
Furthermore Rufus has no real answer to rekkas without meter and for his corner pressure if the Fei has half a brain and mixes it up well with CR.MP’s ,Overhead, Rekkas and random Chicken Wings. It can really be a struggle for Rufus. Anyone who thinks this matchup is fair has quite simply been playing unexperienced Fei Long players who are shit and don’t know the matchup.
I think Ryu is 5.5-4.5 to Ryu with U2 even in AE.
Sagat is 5.5-4.5 to Sagat because Rufus has so many good ambiguous setups on him pressuring him is easy and once again U2 works well to close the gap. However the main issue is getting in on an experienced Sagat who is aware of how to zone out Rufus. Standing HK alone can potentially make it a nightmare for Rufus to get in. Therefore spacing is important, and using your sweep effectively is essential.
I think Deejay is pretty tough , but I don’t know the matchup too well.
The first thing Im gonna do in AE 2012 is check to see if target combo now works on everyone who it currently doesnt (Chun/Ryu/Ken/Twins/Honda, etc)
if it does work on the twins, im callin 6-4 rufus for both
Fei isn’t that bad. Play more defensively and you’ll be fine. Utilize st. mp and st. jab as your tools to beat out random rekkas and cr. jab into ex tornado or cr. jab st. jab st. mp. is good for punishing rekkas, you can reaction st. fierce punch against any mid to full screen chicken wings and cleanly beat it st. fierce is also a great anti air, on wake up, a well placed cross up dive kick will stuff flame kick and if you think they will chicken wing, you can walk up to them and then jump back, their CW will whiff and you do an air hard punch into combo of choice. Also, cross up jumping mk works on him. Again, don’t rush in and die to cr. mp and flame kicks that will stop your random dive kicks. Hold your ground and zone him out. I’m not going to argue that the match is in any way in rufus’ favor, but it is certainly winnable and no where near as bad as fighting against a balrog (fuck that match) and the twins (fuck these matches even more).
^---- u coming to t12? I might have the wrong person but I’m pretty sure u came up last year.
Sadly no. I’m fairly certain the Buffalo crew will be up there. G’luck stopping Jugg. He is a monster. A heartless heartless beast. A muscular monstrosity if you will with a relentless Gouken, another match I despise, but only because of him.
heh yea sadly ive never played him offline, I’ve just heard the legends. I think I’ll be ok if he tries guy…but if its gouken i might just hafta get lucky 
I don’t agree with you on the Sagat matchup(harder than 6-4 imo), but I do on that. Fei is annoying, and may be difficult when played by an average player, but when played by a good player, the match up becomes very very very difficult. He’s better than rufus full range(c.hp forbidden), mid-range(guess i don’t need to explain why…around 1000 ways to whiff punish any rufus’s poke), and close range(you can dive him, but if he has meter(and he always has), you take a huege risk(dragon fadc CW, around 300 dmg and you’re KDed).
Luckily, i don’t know a lot of very good Fei players.
I coudn’t disagree more, playing patient doesn’t work when you’re getting forced into the corner with rekkas and chicken wings.
I think your opinion would change if you played solid Fei’s. Obviously random xbl Fei’s do not count.
I think Boxer vs Rufus is only slightly in Boxers favour and I think Yun is fairly even as well.
edit: from what I’ve seen the US does not know the potential of the matchup between Fei vs Rufus.
I never play online, that is a waste of time unless you name is wolfkrone. I’ve beaten Inthul, Rugal B, and everyone underneath them in tournament and I’ve done well against every fei I’ve played in casuals, usually winning. Sadly, I haven’t played against Starnab, Fuudo, Mago, and Evans, which might be who you are referring too, if it is, then you are correct.
How do you see Yun as even? Without ex messiah, you are limited to either guess jumping or blocking on wake up and most of the time, ex messiah nets you the one air hit or goes over his tiny body. His repeated dive kick trumps all of you options and his priority in the air stuff all of your own. You can’t punish shoulder, you can’t do anything but guess after ex lunge, and you are typically getting outpoked. Luckily he has little life, but his up kick will stuff cross up dive or get him out of harms way. This match is heavily in Yun’s favor.
Yun is even because whoever gets in first wins, if Yun decides to go up and I block it, he’s done, same thing with Boxer. Fei? Oh ok you just EX-Chicken Wing’d which beats my messiah, beats throw, beats a meaty, beats my dive kick, beats my jump back unless I’m literally standing on the perfect pixel to jump back and punish it. Oh and after you chicken wing you put me into a mix up that’s not in my favor! Good shit!
Look at that shit…
Toi if you have any videos of you playing good Fei Long players I’d like to see them, maybe I’ll try to go and find your match vs. Rugal at Civil War.
…lmfao at yun being even with rufus, are u for real?
(Fei long is worse than yun tho imo…)
The only advantage I can pick out against Yun is the health difference. Do tell us why Yun is even game.
Rufus:
More health
More air mobility
Safer reversals
Better ultra
On top of that Yun doesn’t have any of the moves that give Rufus trouble. He has no “semi-reversal” move (a la Tiger Knee), shitty anti-air normals, his sweep sucks, his normals just beg to be messiah’d, and even if he does punish your pressure with an upkick he can’t get anything off of it.
Maybe I’m just out there but I’d call Rufus vs. Yun 6-4 and Rufus vs. Fei 3-7. Fei has everything above that I think hurt Rufus’ game the most.
Uhm…how in the world does rufus have a better reversal when Yun can easily crouch and then whiff punish it?
Yes, you can counter divekick their divekicks…but what if he doesnt divekick? Yun has WAY better pokes, and any poke of rufus’s can be whiff punished via divekick.
Shitty anti air normals? Ok, but he can DP most divekicks on reaction and any sorta neutral jump shenanigans get eaten up by upper.
and LMFAO at his normals begging to be messiah’d. He has 3 framers which he can use to safely pressure rufus without any risk of getting messiah’d. he also has pokes that can safely pressure Rufus from jumping and divekicking. Try mashing messiah through s mp frame traps. (Don’t really try unless you like losing)
Rufus has NO way to stop Yun on his knockdown. any jump can be frametrapped, and blocking gets u command grabbed.
You’re right, Yun isnt his worst match and he does have tools. But you’re clearly in the wrong if you think he can just do whatever the fuck he wants. Its in Yuns favor and its not even close.
However…it’s not even close to as bad as Yang…
In lots of situations Rufus can get out of a blocked messiah, a blocked up kick from Yun is going to be a big punish everytime.
If Yun is pressuring you (or more importantly getting you into the corner) without using divekick then you just fail
If Yun is consistently DPing you out of divekicks and not falling for any of your bait divekicks, well then good for him, he’s pretty fucking gdlk
Guess I’ll give you the normals point
Lots of characters have setups like that
On top of that most of the shit you’re complaining about is getting taken away in 2012 (command grab getting destroyed, normals slower, divekick worse), which makes the match up even more in Rufus’ favor. Yang too, which was already easy enough to begin with.
Out of all the characters to bitch about Yun with Rufus is definitely not one of them
To your points:
- A blocked messiah is only guaranteed safe with 3 bars, a blocked up kick will at the very best give u a c hp if they do not do the light kick version
- S MP for Yun destroys Rufus on the ground, he also has 3 framers that he can mash if you try to get up close. Not to mention random lunges to get in safely that give him frame advantage somehow.
Yun has better pokes than rufus…why on earth would any competent yun take to the air UNLESS they were counter poking one of our shitty pokes?
Sorry but 2012 isnt here yet so I don’t see why its part of our discussion. If you want to wait till 2012 thats fine, but some of us still want to win now. Yun and Yangs nerfs have nothing to do with the matchup now. You said it was even now, its not. In the future, I might agree with you.
I also agree fei long is bad and I lost to a v good one at T12. but it is much easier to turtle and hold a lead against fei than it is against the twins. Theyre all bad matchups and its part of why its so frustrating as a rufus player to win tourneys, because its always seemed like (even in vanilla), the hardest matchups were the top 3 chars. I agree its not the worst of his probs, but its still a problem.
Maybe your area doesnt have a good yun or yang, and only a good fei, maybe our styles differ, I don’t know. Ive only played a few rt10s with local Yuns and I tend to lose pretty badly if they are good.
- Yes, but even without 3 bars it can be made safe, and potentially even in your favor. If Yun wants to punish your messiah with Ultra he has to guess, if you want to punish his reversal with TC you can get it every single time. And lets say either of you does get a reversal, Yun can’t really get anything off of it, you could get ultra.
- Have you played Yun? The lunge punches are unsafe unless spaced properly, and even then Yun just puts himself into a 50/50.
I’ll be honest my matchup experience vs. Yun is limited, all the mediocre Yuns I’ve played I’ve destroyed, and the one tournament winning caliber Yun I’ve played was just better than me, I never thought it was in his favor. I’ve played multiple good/great Yang players and won pretty easily. The one match up though that always kills me is Fei, maybe it’s because I’m too offensive. If you’re a defensive oriented player I can see where the twins would frustrate you, but seriously if you just go over there and get in that ass it really isn’t that bad.
Fuudo put me in losers at EVO (basically quadruple perfected me). I’ve beaten a good amount of Fei’s online and offline, and all those Fei’s have little to no idea how to win that matchup. A good fei will not chicken wing from full screen or whatever. Fei wins the midrange poke game hands down. He can just walk you to the corner and whiff punish anything you try.
Rufus can’t punish a spaced first rekka. No way to react to it since its 7 frames startup and with 6 frames of input lag. You can’t really stay out of that range considering fei can just walk forward faster than rufus walking back. And if you try, you just end up in the corner even quicker.
Neutral jumping is one of your few options at rekka range. Whiffing dive kick to try and throw his timing off or hoping to hit a rekka he may have thrown out.
I haven’t played too many Yun’s. But I did play Hsien’s Yun. He beat me 30-3. A lot of the losses due to command grab mixups to dizzy to kill. Two guesses and he wins the round no matter what. Also I did not have safejumps changed up for Yun. Did not know that he gets up quicker than the rest of the cast. Also don’t go for crossup dive kick on Yun’s wakeup, he can just up kick the other way safely I think. I have to say that matchup is even tho. You gotta be ready to punish all blocked up kicks with s.hp to gt. Also on blocked ex messiah kick, if you delay flip kick against yuns up kick, you will beat it and can combo into ultra without an fadc. Didn’t check which up kicks tho, but I did it a few times on Hsien.
Also forgot, I got eliminated by Kindevu’s Yun at evo. History would have changed if I knew TC whiffs on crouching yun.
Safe jumps against Yun:
Forward throw.Mash out 2 standing lk kicks. Jump in with Fierce.
After GT combo. Walk forward as slightly as possible, jump in with fierce. If you noticed you walk too far (mess up the safe jump), either empty jump or just dive kick early.