The Rindoukan Bible — Printed Makoto Guidebook

[Nuts]

I’m sorry, I just had to post about my amazement at the quality and apparent thoroughness of this guide. Incredible! Brings me back to being a kid and flipping through various strategy guides, scouring every nook and cranny for info. Was this a community effort? What was the story behind its development? What program was used?

Everyone involved should get a some type of reward or something. How was this not on the front page? Or was it and I missed it?

In terms of tech, this was a community effort (led by V-Ryu), but the actual production of the guide goes to 1 person, who is a professional designer in Calgary. I’m pretty sure this was on the front page, but I couldn’t tell you when. Thankfully, the information included the guide was so solid that none of it is outdated.

[SynikaL]

Question regarding the Level 2 Focus -> KaraKara Frame Trap: if Makoto’s Dash is 16 frames (SRK wiki) and Makoto is -15 after LVL 2 Focus… wouldn’t that put Mak at -1 and not +6 after a Forward Dash?

[wirestyle]

Question regarding the Level 2 Focus -> KaraKara Frame Trap: if Makoto’s Dash is 16 frames (SRK wiki) and Makoto is -15 after LVL 2 Focus… wouldn’t that put Mak at -1 and not +6 after a Forward Dash?

You’re cancelling the focus into a dash so it removes a portion of the recovery. You’re only -15 if you let the entire animation end.

Focus Attack Level 2: 22 Frames of block stun. Subtract 16 frames for the dash and you’re at +6.

LK Karakusa has 7 frames of startup. The last frame of startup is actually the first active frame. That means they have one frame to react.

[kraal]

Plus those 2 throw-invincible frames added to every hitstun/blockstun/wakeup. So opp is throwable at frame 9 and mk karakusa is the right choice.
This kind of karakusa traps beats block/jab/throw (result can be random). They’re still very useful.
Mak’s blocked FA2 DC frame advantage was changed in AE iirc.

There were some posts a few weeks ago about the sweep to karakusa frame trap (c.HP, empty jump, lk karakusa) and I posted about the counter-hit sweep case (just do non-empty jump instead).
An input trick I use for the usual, empty jump case is negative edgeing the karakusa. If you don’t, and if your lk press comes even one frame before landing, the jump becomes a jumping normal: 4 landing frames are lost and the frame trap is gone. Negative edgeing the lk cannot start an air normal, and you’re under tsurugi height restriction. So the jump will stay empty.

[wirestyle]

Plus those 2 throw-invincible frames added to every hitstun/blockstun/wakeup. So opp is throwable at frame 9 and mk karakusa is the right choice.
This kind of karakusa traps beats block/jab/throw (result can be random). They’re still very useful.
Mak’s blocked FA2 DC frame advantage was changed in AE iirc.

There were some posts a few weeks ago about the sweep to karakusa frame trap (c.HP, empty jump, lk karakusa) and I posted about the counter-hit sweep case (just do non-empty jump instead).
An input trick I use for the usual, empty jump case is negative edgeing the karakusa. If you don’t, and if your lk press comes even one frame before landing, the jump becomes a jumping normal: 4 landing frames are lost and the frame trap is gone. Negative edgeing the lk cannot start an air normal, and you’re under tsurugi height restriction. So the jump will stay empty.

Yeah there are those two frames. I was more focused on explaining that you can figure out exactly how much block stun or hitstun anything has just by looking at the frame data and you can figure out whats possible as well, even if it has to do with something a little more complicated like a jumping attack that deals with landing frames etc (in that case its more of a range of frame data versus something specific).

[Olor1973]

I promise I’ll contribute when I actually play AE … haven’t played it in two months.

[SoulsDescend]

Just wanted to mention that The Rindoukan Bible got a shout out by Gootecks on Excellent Adventures, ep. 17. It happens around the 3:50 mark.

[Grimmhart]

Will the guide be updated with Ultra tweaks?

[Bryanv2]

Just wanted to say that this guide is amazing. Great effort. Will it be updated indeed? Still very, very useful though

[agentofthedarkness]

Very eager to learn Makoto from this guide. It looks amazing. So hard to find solid info online otherwise. Hopefully we get an update for usf4?

Thanks, kupo! ^-^

[nihil]

I hope we can get an updated version, because it’s awesome.
Either way, same as those before me, just wanted to thank all those involved in the production, it’s been really insightful and instructive, and I still regularly use it to check stuff. Thanks !

[NotAbel]

Anyone know if the frame date in the guide is still accurate?

[Shocky_II]

LK and MK Tsurugi are now -3 at the lowest point instead of -2. Everything else should be fine.

[v-ryu]

Nope, LK tsurugi is -5 (was -3 in ae2012)
And MK tsurugi was -1 in ae2012. (Now -3)

[Etherealwtf]

How long does a perfect instant lk/mk/hk tsurugi last ?

[kraal]

I’m also interested. Btw, I think (not sure though) that we can get this lowest point tsurugi on the way up (IAT) and on the way down (:qcb: P~K)

[v-ryu]

What do you mean by “how long”?
Active frames? Hitstun? Or recovery frame after landing?

[kraal]

This is how I understand it:
4f pre-jump, ??f height restriction, 11/13/15 startup, 4 active, ??f going down, 11 recovery at landing.

As it’s a special move, recovery frames replace usual landing frames. So, how many frames are wasted by height restriction/going down ?

[Blaughable]

Does anything, in regards to frames, change when we do tsurugi late in a forward jump?

[Shocky_II]

Nope, LK tsurugi is -5 (was -3 in ae2012)
And MK tsurugi was -1 in ae2012. (Now -3)

Thanks for correcting me, but I could of swore I read that LK and MK Tsurugi were -2. It definitely wasn’t from the Rindoukan Bible as there’s no block frames listed.