Rick Ross is such a guilty pleasure. Good ole ignant music
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That article was the truth, Koop. You seem to have a lot of knowledge of the USAās recording industry. Can I ask how you came by it? You sounded like an active participant in that post.
shuffles into thread party rock anthem is that shit.
lmfao isnāt hurtin nobody, they have never claimed to be hip hop.
I have nothing but respect for LMFAO actually. Theyāve got a simple, catchy, unpretentious formula, and they obviously have fun doing what theyāre doing. Those guys are 100% legit, even if their music isnāt for everyone (certainly not ālyrical connoisseursā).
My fam and I have a recording studio in DC. I have rubbed hands with a lot of A&Rās, Publicist, and I have 3 very good associates that I chop it up with daily that work for ASCAPā¦I know beat makers, producers, ghostwriters, video personell, and artist themselves (that includes Unreal if you didnt know)ā¦ I have written for vibe, murder dog an allhiphop (when it was a bit more crazier)ā¦ I always wanted to understand the BACK END of the industryā¦ the things you didnt get to see. the monetary break downā¦ the rules behind sampling an who owned what an what happens when you reach that 15 minutes an your not the top dogā¦ it always made me wonderā¦ plus i never enjoyed the spotlight thingā¦ i want/wanted to be that guy that made either more than you or just as much as you and you didnt knowā¦ i also know the shady side to a lot of labels from writing an chopping up with some people from said labels. an lastly I just always wondered how can you as a artist in front of all the lights an all the adoring fans be broke 5 years later??? how can you sit an say āthe label fucked meā??? as a good buddy of mine says
"I can only fuck you if you allow me. I donāt rape. I canāt help you didnāt take 30 minutes and possibly 300 bucks to get a lawyer to read something that is written and you signed off on. Once you signed those 7 pages and that money was handed over to youā¦ its consensual now."
^^^^ greatest shyt everā¦
fixed that for ya champā¦behind the scenes stories that have never been toldā¦LOL
I dunno, Iām stil la bit confused. I did some googling and things are true enough matching up with what Koop said, but I distinctly remember in my contract studying days that reproducing a sample from the ground up still requires giving proper credit and a reduced royalty rate to the original composer. It was in the same place I learned that the amount of money you can be sued for on a sample is directly tied ot the length of a sample beyond just the income generated and its total run time in a song, so you could sample a hi-hat from JustBlaze, and the fine/amount you could be sued for that one hi-hat sound is āhandle ableā - but it gets blown WAY out of proportion when you realize that the hi-hat sound goes off 4 times a bar and the song is 72 bars longā¦turing that $500 & court fees to $144,000 + court fees + payback for income generated (oh they can bleed your entire profit form the song).
I guess I need a refresher on everything. I mean I know I do beacuse the game didnāt have 360 deals when I studied back in like 03-05, or they werneāt a REAL part of the game yet - and Im still trying to understand some of th ācaveatsā of it. Do I maintain artistic control outside of music or does my record label which now functions as a secondary manager also have additional say outside of album promotion? I figure they do, but I donāt know the technical aspects of the 360. Hell for all the moaning artist do about it, I welcome the idea of a large entity with alot of pull being able to help set-up shows - and if Iām breaking them off a āfinders feeā for it - thats just the cost of doing business ya know? They eat some of the merch, but so long as they are also forking over cash to help with the production of the merchā¦bump it. I also want ot know the limitations they have in taking my income, and how I would function as a businessā¦can I simply write off the money they take as their portion? Or is it like a record deal for the artist who doesnāt think ahead and ends up signing a contract for 100k, pays out most of it to find out they got to give the govāt 40k of it because they didnāt setup something to write it off on? BAH head hurts.
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@koop. do you know what happen to Pac Div? their major label debut was suppose to be grown kids syndrome. they dropped the div instead.
and what happens when a label refuses to push an album, cuz they know they canāt make a profit? i.e. blu and j davey had complete albums but were dropped.
In rotation:
Thurz - LA riot
Shabazz palaces - black up (the dude that brought you a nickel bag of funk)
Heh, I chuckled reading this, having flashbacks of my old readingā¦when you sit back and do the math, the shit feels like one of those infomercials āBut wait, THEREāS MORE!ā
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From what I understand Mo-town just sat onāem.
And when a label refuses to push an album, your abilities are limited to your contract. Some artist have contracts with time based clauses. Some artist (see Lil Flip) will approach the label and offer to buy themselves out of their deal. Some artist will just raise publicity hell (Lupe). some artist will just grind harder to get their name poppin.
Ultimatly - there are two primary reasons āsaidā artist wonāt get their albm out or pushed. Timing and temperature. I youāre not hot, its a waste of money. doesnāt matter how good you are. Its part of why so many established artist are messing with the mixtape game. Timingi s a factor tooā¦look at Young Moneyā¦they were slated to drop Birdman, Drake AND Lil Wayne all within a month or so of each other. they donāt have the resources to properly push that, so they would undersell units doing that. Or what if you are sayā¦Pusha T, and you are looking at a 3rd quarter release when things are typically quiet, but then Nas & Common decide to drop the same time, and Hovās got an EP dropping, and Ross is dropping another MMG comp, and NāSync does a reunionā¦and there is just a ton of shit that is going to absorb your record sales coming out? You know what sales records? SELLING records. The longer you cn stay on top - the more units you invariably moveā¦you stay at the front of the store, you are fresh in peopleās minds, etc. So its a positioning thing. If MJ was stil lalive (RIP) and he was finally dropping his āComebackā album and reviews were 5 mics across the boardā¦thats gearing up for a musical BLACKOUT. so if you are Big KRIT who was dropping when Cole and Drake were droppingā¦you wisely back up a quarter.
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No oneās hating on LMFAO. They are what they are; bullshit dance pop rap. I mean if Iām in the club with a rum and coke theyāre okay I guess.
The original point was that sales, arenāt everything, and I think in terms of hip-hop sales should be fairly low priority.
That rule your speculating an remember died the moment Sean Combs exploited the rights to sampling. It immediately changed that any artist can redo your song and only have to give you PROPSā¦ please see a prime example of Whitney Houston redoing Dolly Partons songā¦ all she has to do isā¦ acknowledge not pay. The only way you have to pay is if you sample them chord for chord from the original and that can be provenā¦ again this goes back to Puff cause he was hounded harder than anyone but the fact remained he sampled only portion and had his in house producter redo some to LESSEN the blow (ie kelly price redoing the hook an revamping the words).
the payout for sampling has been the same just no one ever really paid attention until bad boyā¦ in fact it caused many labels to back check and artist themselves to actually really pay attention (see The Verve and my anthem Bittersweet Symphony)ā¦
The best notion I can give you is Ludaās (field mob) Georgia. He had a version that was all Ray Charlesā¦ couldnt get cleared not cause the Estate of Mr. Charles were tight like some (see Prince, Barry White, Aerosmith) it was the point of value. 19+k plus points per saleā¦ I donāt think that is actually worth it cause it can be down right wasting money (this has been noted by Def Jam execs after the Barry White sampling fiasco)ā¦ So Ludas easily did something betterā¦ Ask the man that portrayed him in the damn movie to REDO the hook. No fees dueā¦ a shotout if anything and it was able to go on his then artist Field Mobā¦
when artist are taken to court on their sampling it cause if you take the masters an break it down an its shown blatant sampling then you just get got cause you refused to look at the rulings that define your samplingā¦ its the MAIN reason you got the speed upād/chipmunk samples at one point in timeā¦ an its the main reason you get a lot of the āhot jointsā wit samples on a mixtapeā¦ game hasnt changed just FINALLY people are looking at what you can an can not do and understanding the art of negotiating with the Estates of said artist if you DO sample.
As unreal stated its all based on your contract. an in todays market a lot of labels feel you should be able to self advertise. If you cant create a buzz then why drop when they know you initially cant reup? an you as a artist know your not going to break even??
What they (pack div) dropped was smart. the label crumbled and folded an was absorb into its parentā¦ universal. so why throw out ya serious shyt to something that your initially going to be drowned out by regardless of ya fan base and buzz.
when a label shelves you they usually hold that material that you do have and will either A let you go or B wait till they see a profit point for you (remember not everyone is wanted during a certain time) then release your material. the most infamous thing is letting you go but holding your material till you resurge elsewhere an try to release the shelved work with your newly released work (see juvenille, scarface, lil john)ā¦
Still trying to figure out who told these broads putting on powder foundation that is 5 shades lighter than your natural skin tone, looks good.
smdh
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To what extent does a sample have to modified before it can be considered your own original sound? Like say you take a sample, chop the individual notes, re-sequence them, put a phaser on it, and add a bunch of reverb. The sound will be unrecognizable from the original source, and youāve literally engineered a new one, just using the original wave as a starting point. I was never clear on āwhen a sample isnāt a sampleā because you made it your own.
Not like everything I use isnāt a VST or from a sample bank I have distribution rights on anyway. See how complicated this shit gets people? See!? This is why I stick to originals lol.
KRS One drops a long(a hour and a half) but DOPE interview!Says LL Cool J and Run DMC were supposed to be on Heal and Self Destruction but Russel Simmons blocked them for some reason from being on it(altho LL made it on to Heal):
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you are correct you can mask something very very well that can hide itā¦ thats directly for BEATS. the heat comes down ya back when dont re arrange and you include vocalsā¦ think of all the great hidden samples that its kinda too damn late to do anything now
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just an exampleā¦
its a lot of hidden gems out thereā¦ just the ones that include vocals get murdered the most. along with the fact some producers already research the āprobabilityā of gettin hit with something by looking up the backline (if the same is still on a labelā¦ does it have ascapā¦ is it an estate OR labels ālibrary songā) so they take the risk if need be.
I like coating their faces with my personal lāoccataine cream.
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I got a lot of new hip hop albums them being
DOOM, Born Like This
King Geedorah, Take Me To Your Leader
Viktor Vaughn, Vaudeville Villain
Raekwon, Unexpected Victory
Common, The Dreamer / The Believer
Big L, Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous + The Big Picture
The Roots, Phrenology, How I Got Over, Undun
I really like ALLLL of it. Actually with Big L and the Roots, itās pretty much the first time I ever really got into them.
Big L I dunno I heard a lot of words about him being really excellent, as in like people putting him in like their Top 10s and 5s of all time, calling him the best MC no longer alive, saying he couldāve owned New York if he wasnāt murderedā¦ I donāt know about all that, I mean I definitely like him like a lot, I donāt know maybe I need to let it all seep in more and give his stuff a lot more hits before I can really grasp my feelings on it.
The Roots, I donāt know why I never ever got into ?uestlove and his work before. It blows me away, itās like the best shit Iāve heard since Dilla.
Of course been a Doom fan for long so had to get into BLT and the Geedorah & Vaughn stuff. I love DOOMās own production, I kind of miss it on VV but I like his lyrics a lot more here than on say, Operation Doomsday, thatās just me. The Geedorah cuts donāt feature him much, mostly his production which I love, Next Levels especially that track.
Unexpected Victory is like a 6 out of 10 honestly, itās not great, itās just good, a cut above mediocre. In no way am I saying Rae is losing it but it couldāve been a lot better, but then again itās just a mixtape, I guess to build up hype for the future of the Wu in 2012.
TD/TB is good. I wouldnāt say better than LWFC, my favorite of all his stuff, on par with Be (which I like a lot).
Also, the Paid Dues festival in San Bernardino is coming up at some point this year. Wu-Tang and Odd Future both set to headline. Thoughts?
Big l was nice. Listen to the big picture tho. Lifestyles of da poor is just too boring and dated to even enjoy imo
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