The PC gaming Thread. Steam/GOG/Origin/Etc. Game/Software/Hardware talk

get this instead

and get this dodgy windows 10 instead: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Windows-10-Home-Pro-32-64-bit-install-update-DVD-W-HD-/151918913176?hash=item235f12a698:g:sKwAAOSwT6pV24Hc

soz need to find a better one for you, that requires a product key

windows 10 options: http://www.play-asia.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-3264-bit-oem-key-dl/13/709747 (play asia REGION FREE)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LG242A0/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00H09BB16&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0Y5NCTSB0VC2X7VGWZMF (AMAZON)

fuck 150 when we all got it for free :rofl:

Oh damn, windows 10 pro for only $35? Gonna have to get it.

Shit, home is only $26. Just gonna get home.

Unless you need that computer done now, I would hold off on getting the graphics card for a couple months for when pascal drops. Also depending on the games you play i would look at r9 390 vs the gtx 970, something about the 970 not truly having 4gb vram and causing problems with some games. The 390 would run hotter and most likely require a bigger power supply tho.

Everyone keeps mentioning the Pascal but I don’t even know what it is or if it would be a huge difference than the 970.

http://static.zerochan.net/Pascal.(Tales.of.Graces).full.828056.jpg

Being an Australian website, it is probably in AUD. 517 AUD would be around 370 USD, which is a lot more in line.

I’ll keep her in mind next time I waste my life on an MMO.

Pascal sounds good on paper but I still see developers making games more in line with the 970 at a minimum in the next 4 or 5 years. That’s fine with me. I just bought a 970, not looking forward to replacing it already.

Goddamn, wish I had known about that before building.

Tbh I don’t give a rats ass about pascal since I’m never going to game over 1080p. What I’m most interested in is the price drops that will happen to the other graphics cards when it drops. I am mainly looking at the 390

meh price doesnt really drop that well in line with age. Hell sometimes it goes up, check out the prices for DDR2 ram lol that shit is more expensive than DDR4.

As Raz0r says though, a 970 will probably hold down the fort for a few years just as long as you aint pulling a Shima and going full VR or give a fuck about 4k etc.

People say that but when the 970 dropped the 770s which launched at 399 dropped to 200 and some even sub 200. There was one version that even dropped to 180 but I was too late to pick one up. Depending on how much pascal releases for the 970 will most likely have no choice but to drop especially if the architecture is that much better like people are spouting. Even if say they release pascal as a 1440p and higher specialty card and keep 970 at their current price as a 1080p premier card, AMD will have to react and most likely drop the r9 390. Even if they don’t drop it I believe that stores will drop the price when that card stops selling. This however is all just conjecture and since I am not hurting for a card I can wait for a long time. My 270x runs everything I want just fine right now.

Am not 100% on it, but I think the reason there isnt massive price drops in hardware because the supply and demand is monitored pretty tight. Like they aint exactly gonna have 100k units of 970 gpu in a sweatshop in China they suddenly need to unload. Also Manx said something about how tech companies nerf their firmware so it performs under what its capable of, which I agree with as a likelihood with planned obsolescence being a cornerstone of the market.

I maybe be talking shite so Ki Shima is defo better to verify but for arguments sake, my 780 card atm is ÂŁ545 on amazon. 40 quid cheaper than its 980 variant.

High end gaming is a pretty specific hobby. It’s not like expensive graphics cards are iPhones

out of the maxwell cards the one that is more likely to be looked after is the 980 ti. the 780 ti is still quite expensive now so im not too sure if it will drop or not. I just think since the 970 is so expensive for you $550? you may aswell go cheaper on the windows 10 and grab a 980 ti.

Pascal, no one knows how strong it will be or how much but its apparently at least double performance per watt. its rumoured to be released between may and august.

I just got the 980 ti because I can wait for a more fine tuned version of Pascal. though if you can actually wait it might be worth checking out the price and how it relates to current gpu.

Been playing Rabi-Ribi
It is basically Metroidvania meets Touhou.

It has the metroidvania exploration, the square-room map system, the acquisition of powers that allow you to access new areas and find new power ups. It has a level up system where as you use your attacks and powers they level up (although to a fairly limited extent). The amount you can attack and use powers is dictated by a stamina bar which drains as you attack, then refills pretty quickly when you aren’t.

You also have a fairy companion who has ranged attacks (limited by mana which recharges quickly when not attacking). You find different kinds of magic with different effects and uses. Your basic shot does good damage, can be aimed up or down, and has a pretty powerful charge shot. There is a light type which fires a continuous beam (that does little damage, but goes through walls and hits repeatedly such), healing magic which does very little damage, but heals you and the charge shot is homing, explosion which is a spread shot and the charge shot lingers if it hits something and others I haven’t found yet (I think there are 8). Kind of like the weapon break from castlevania there is a burst attack, except it a gauge that is filled up when you hit stuff. These are generally very good. They do good damage and will, depending on the magic type, buff your speed, defense, attack or even give a healing field.

Combat is pretty robust once you start unlocking new powers, although it took several hours to unlock an air to air attack, which admittedly, is really good, as it lets you bounce of enemies and does pretty good damage. You get a bomb attack pretty early on, and a lot of the secrets are hidden behind breakable and fake walls, and not just in plain sight but obviously unreachable. Although there is plenty of the latter. You fight enemies and you get money, which you can buy items and upgrades in the town. There is also a badge system which is pretty cool. You have a number of points you can use, and each badge has a number of points required to equip it. Some of them are straight forward, like 5% more health. But some of them will have defense up and attack down, or every 7th hit does 107 or 177% damage.

The Touhou parts are pretty straight forward. It is VERY anime. You play a literal bunny girl. All the characters are cute anime girls. Most of the enemies are cutesy woodland creatures and fake bunny girls (they are just wearing rabbit ears). Your hitbox is much smaller than your sprite (being just the bunny girl costume, meaning your head, arms, legs and ears are immune to attacks). Enemies will spit out big beams of pain or patterns of bullets. The bosses, which are fairly frequent will send out massive blooms of bullet hell. Even on the lower difficulties the game isn’t afraid to fill the screen in bullets and rotating lasers. It is pretty cool…but being stuck in a 2d plane with a single jump makes it difficult to avoid a lot of it. It is kind of weird to train your brain to ignore bullets sailing toward your head…as in your typical 2d action platformer, you’d get hit. I think there are like 5 or 6 difficulties (2 of which are locked at the start), so, while lower levels are pretty forgiving, I can imagine it being obscenely difficult, if that is your thing.

The game starts out pretty linear,as if you try to explore you are told to not go that way and you get turned around, but after the prologue the game starts to open up. It even has a semi free form mission structure, where you are told you have a couple of goals (usually finding a person) and you can go to them in whatever order you like, or go hunt for upgrades. Completing those objectives lets you visit a second world, which after visiting you will unlock more stuff in the first world. It is fairly well done.

Music is pretty good, which each area having nice, atmospheric music that sets the tone well, and the bosses have really cool upbeat stuff, often drum and bass which is great while you are trying to avoid being obliterated from all angles.

A couple of the downsides are the pace of which you unlock things. Five and half hours in and I still can’t double jump or airdash. It took a while to really fill out my attacks and, occasionally, between the enemies invulnerable states, and the sometimes odd hitboxes of your attacks…hitting an enemy who is close up can be a little iffy. Also, since all of the enemies are really non threatening, you can get cheap shotted because you didn’t realize the cute little doggy was an enemy. Enemies also mingle with NPCs all the time. Like, amidst regular people you can talk to, there will be enemies who will rush you are start shooting at you. It is kind of odd. You can’t hit NPC’s, and once you recognize that basically everything not an NPC is trying to kill you, you get over it. The first enemy you encounter is like, a little smiley furball with cat ears that hops around. In any other game you’d be trying to save those, or they’d be harmless background decoration. But in this they hurt you. Story is ok. Not thrilling, but it does the job. If you really don’t like it you can skip it and you’ll hardly be lost. You were a rabbit, then you wake up as a rabbit girl one day in strange place, you end up going back to your world, strange things have been happening and its up to your to figure out what is going on. Its not setting the world on fire. But it’s fine.

Aside from those few, minor gripes the game is surprisingly good. The art, while pixely is nice, the music is good. The character portraits for cutscenes and the CG are nice. The combat is pretty cool and the game isn’t ever really frustrating. The length seems pretty good, as at 5 hours, with a fair amount of exploration I’m at 34% completion. The game is under $20 and is a good value as there are multiple difficulties, speedrun and boss rush modes. Since being release at the end of January, the game has received a few updates (with the latest one called Ver. 1.04 Ashuri Stole The Precious Thing Edition - a not so subtle reference to Touhou). so it is nice to see the Dev’s support their game.

All in all it is recommended.
…If you either like, or can get past, all the anime stuff.

Just as long as you have a decent GPU you should be able to ride out the rest of this generation.

Digital Foundry still matches and exceeds PS4 multi-plat games with a whopping i3+750ti combo.

Tonight I suddenly started to think FPS gaming overall and on PC, it’s current state and my memories about it:

It wasn’t until I hit my early teenage years to get my hands on Half-Life, Counter-Strike 1.6 and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory and those were the games that blew my mind. Some other FPS games like CoD 2, Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 did the same and they remain as my all-time games as well.

Those are unfortunately the last memories of having unforgettable FPS multiplayer experience (Team Fortress 2 and CS:GO being kind of rare exceptions later on). After 2007 when CoD 4 was released, whole FPS genre tend to gather console community with dumbed down skill ceiling, mechanics and teamwork focus. For instance MW2 removed mod tools and dedicated servers on PC and added tons of new scrub mechanics, killstreaks and weapons. I’m not saying those games were all terrible. CoD 4 was for instance pretty good, though I have never seen it as fun game as CoD 1 or CoD 2.

Battlefield series followed the same route. After having spin-off as Bad Company series, existing Battlefield 1942 / Vietnam / BF2 / 2142 was eagerly waiting main series to go on DICE announcing brand new sequel to main Battlefield series. When BF3 was announced and released, there was tons of hype and excitement. When BF3 was released, it indeed sold very well and worked as contender against CoD. Main fan-base though was severly disappointed since maps were smaller, flags were more clustered and less spread out than in earlier titles, there was no commander feature, squad size was lowered, vehicles’ power was overall nerfed yet they were simplified to repair themselves automatically without need of an engineer. They got ammo regen (flight physics and maneuvers were also nerfed) infantry got health regeneration, there was no destroyable assets, mod tools were non-existent as well as Battlerecorder, PC players were forced to use Battlelog in order to connect servers, major communications tools such as command / squad rose were either mutilated or removed, 3D and audio spotting were also introduced, eliminating stealth gameplay and flanking as a whole. Finally, competetive scene was pretty much destroyed.

Some other once great and classic series like Medal of Honor (ironically by EA who also owns DICE) have also got the same treatment in order to fight against CoD’s popularity. It has unfortunately caused the events that have led to dumbed down, bland and boring FPS genre where skill ceiling is low and scrub mechanics are all over the place.

It’s pretty much explains why I was extremely tired to play FPS games from 2013 to 2015. There sure was and is some more niche FPS games that have great mechanics but I really miss the time where even the most mainstream series weren’t about posting huge K/D (while talking about your cat), “trolling teammates” or case opening videos (I really like CS:GO but still…) or when genre itself wasn’t dumbed down only because console controllers / hardware couldn’t handle some features or mechanics.

@orochizoolander stock coolers are fine as long as it’s not overclocked and in a properly flowing case. The problem is that thermal grease will eventually evaporate, as do all liquids. So you have to regularly maintenance your PC and re-do the application every couple of years or so.

Shorting out the clear CMOS pins won’t harm your board. But you should be unplugging it whenever you work on something, regardless. Please tell me you had the PC unplugged with the power cleared while you were doing all of this. Also, wear an anti-static wristband and never, ever put your opened PC or any components on carpet. I’m almost willing to bet that the problem was that flee power needed to be cleared. Did you hold in the power button like I said to? That’s probably the most important step that I listed. It (supposedly) discharges power stored in the capacitors and is really good at fixing no post issues.

Thy that first, next time. You could have avoided a lot of poking around in your case.

Question: did you discover the CPU temp problem before or after I had you remove the CPU?

I haven’t changed the thermal grease on my processor for 5 years…