The Ongoing Tier Thread

Nick_T · 2006-01-14T23:02:37.000Z

Best Kind Boxer:

It has nothing to do with how much frame advantage it gives. It could give +874 on block or hit, but that won’t mean anything in terms of a “free-jump-in” if it has landing recovery.

Basically, I am just curious as to how much landing recovery there is on the divekick move. Thanks for the info tho. I really don’t use divekick enough heh

Do people use these FJI’s (hah :P) a lot in CvS2? I know they’re big in A3 and ST/AE, but I can’t recall seeing them used as much inCvS2 (but then again, i don’t see much CvS2)

I put that part in about the divekick because he asked about it.

Dentron · 2006-01-14T23:09:03.000Z

Best Kind Boxer:

Do people use these FJI’s (hah :P) a lot in CvS2? I know they’re big in A3 and ST/AE, but I can’t recall seeing them used as much inCvS2 (but then again, i don’t see much CvS2)

no.

Leezy · 2006-01-15T15:05:19.000Z

Hmm…Dentron just thinks we don’t use them a lot…Heh.

Hellion · 2006-01-16T06:31:35.000Z

No A-Gief takers Ne1?

I remember seeing a C-Groove Gief at New Park Mall Tilt in Newark, Ca. Player was a small asian kid who RC’d perfectly with him, 100%. Busted up some cocky A-Groove guy with him (still lost because his other characters were lacking).

Was pretty cool at the time though.

Oh well. 'twas a good discussion. Laters

geadom · 2006-01-26T17:52:30.000Z

2 Questions:

1-) P Kyo and Cammy. Aren´t they theory fighters? I think K Suits them better and help them (overall) more to get in, Rush, Defend and Counter A-Groove. I think P is just RAPE heaven for A-Groove, and K overall is most useful.

2-) How are the orders on the list of the tiers represented? For Example, are C-Sagat and A-Bison AT THE SAME LEVEL,or Inside the Top Tier C-Sagat is BETTER than A-Bison?

Thx in Advance…

Leezy · 2006-01-26T20:43:33.000Z

They aren’t theory fighters…a lot of guys I play use them…and they are good. They play differently than K, obviously, but I feel like they’re more dangerous in P…just for the fact that a single parry for Kyo leads to rekka combos that take off hella damage. Cammy just gets to walk forward option selecting and mashing on fierce…and THEN there are the guys that actually know how to play those characters…that’s when it gets really scary. Against A-Sak, they have a better initial chance to get out of chip custom, because the parry negates the stun that a good A player uses to make you block…so while it’s still difficult to Parry or JD the first hit, P-groove has an easier time mashing out uppercuts or supers to stop it…even just mashing on jab to trade hits and stop the custom…'cause it’s impossible with K, unless the A player fucks up. Find good P players…I’m sure if they are serious about playing P, that they know how to use those two, or at least have tried it at some point.

Rokiseph · 2006-01-26T22:16:20.000Z

I’ll add to that. P-Cammy isn’t Theory fighter in P because she’s short. Stand in front of someone, Parry Down. You won’t get hit by any high moves anyway, if you register a Parry, you strike, if you don’t, then react. And why her of all short people? Because she’s the short one who can Link Hp to HK To Super. The others can’t.

Hellion · 2006-01-27T01:40:45.000Z

I watched one guy use an R4 Nakoruru vs several K-Top tier teams in this arcade in San Diego one night.

Now that was insane.

geadom · 2006-01-27T04:19:03.000Z

geadom:

2 Questions:

1-) P Kyo and Cammy. Arent they theory fighters? I think K Suits them better and help them (overall) more to get in, Rush, Defend and Counter A-Groove. I think P is just RAPE heaven for A-Groove, and K overall is most useful.

2-) How are the orders on the list of the tiers represented? For Example, are C-Sagat and A-Bison AT THE SAME LEVEL,or Inside the Top Tier C-Sagat is BETTER than A-Bison?

Thx in Advance…

Can someone answer the second question??

Thx in advance…

wepeel · 2006-01-27T06:15:37.000Z

Rokiseph:

I’ll add to that. P-Cammy isn’t Theory fighter in P because she’s short. Stand in front of someone, Parry Down. You won’t get hit by any high moves anyway, if you register a Parry, you strike, if you don’t, then react. And why her of all short people? Because she’s the short one who can Link Hp to HK To Super. The others can’t.

Hmmm so Cammy can duck Sagat’s s.mp? I don’t have anything to test this on, but yeah, that almost sounded too good to be true…can she??? :shake:

epsilon · 2006-01-27T06:21:23.000Z

no she cant, no one can cuz it hits mid.

Hellion · 2006-01-27T06:41:18.000Z

Rokiseph:

Stand in front of someone, Parry Down.

epsilon_:

no she cant, no one can cuz it hits mid.

If anyone could, it’d probably be Iori or Maki. Not sure though.

As far as “no one” goes, I think you’d be better off option selecting with something that makes your hitbox shorter than when crouching.
Any fairly safe move will does the job and you’re good.

One good example (in this instance) would be Athena
Though of course she can’t cancel her d.HP

Hail_And_Kill · 2006-01-27T06:44:23.000Z

Hellion:

I watched one guy use an R4 Nakoruru vs several K-Top tier teams in this arcade in San Diego one night.

Now that was insane.

who was it??

Hellion · 2006-01-27T06:53:03.000Z

Hail And Kill:

who was it??

Dunno. It was in …
Where the fuck was it…

Golden Token.

Don’t know who he was. Asian guy used R4 Nako. Kicked serious ass with her low jumps, normals. Close to closing time so I couldn’t play him.

I couldn’t believe it… Well, considering most of the then-current competition, maybe.

Some time later I played a few against him, like a week or two.
I was screwing around with S-Kyo, Nako and forgot who else. Probably Athena busting up like 10 + random scrubs then he showed up. Apparently he knew one of the guys pretty well I was beasting on.

He watched a few more matches I fought, suppose to get a handle what my High/low mixups were and kicked my ass with P-Nakoruru, Kyo, Yamazaki (2)

I switched to N and K grooves (A was a little rusty:sweat: ) and played 'bout four solid matches against him.
Needless to say, his parrying was excellent. I had to pull some tricks out my ass to get him to parry things like Random Firebird supers so I could run up and knockdown.

Hail_And_Kill · 2006-01-27T07:06:40.000Z

yeah, thats p groove dan.

Hellion · 2006-01-27T07:17:59.000Z

P groove Dan?

Well, hope to someday meet him again.

edit: Does ne1 know the height of Sakura’s s.HK? Going to do some searches now, I was sure I’d find it in Buk’s systems guide:sweat: Wasn’t there though.

Hail_And_Kill · 2006-01-27T07:36:01.000Z

i dont think anyone can duck that shit. pretty sure about that…O_o maybe not?

P groove dan. yes, no you dont want to meet him. trust me. just stay away. dont want to explain now, just dont get involved with him.

Dentron · 2006-01-27T08:13:19.000Z

everyone has to block s.rh

edit: yes, even iori

Hellion · 2006-01-27T08:21:36.000Z

Hail And Kill:

P groove dan. yes, no you dont want to meet him. trust me. just stay away. dont want to explain now, just dont get involved with him.

LOL No prob.

Hellion · 2006-01-27T08:25:47.000Z

Dentron:

i think everyone has to block s.rh

I was actually breezing through the systems guide, looking at that very read you had up a second ago too:rofl: That’s what prompted my initial question… That in turn prompted by all this low parry stuff.

I’m sure no one can duck it, just wondering which moves certain characters can use vs s.HK that are quick enough, as well as low enough to nail it… perhaps slightly outside or within that range where she’s most likely to do it.

Working on a list.