The Official PLAYSTATION® Thread: E3 - PS4 Pro November 10th $399

[Hawkingbird]

To my surprise, FIFA 14 will be the last PS2 game published in the west.

FIFA 14 to be the Final Game for PlayStation 2 | SegmentNext

I had no idea PS2 games were still being produced

[Sonicabid]

@Sarangha Get NG3: Razor’s Edge. It’s fucking amazing. If you get it, I’ll coop with you/go HAM in VS mode.

I kind of want to go HAM in NGS2 as well if you’d still be down to coop that sometime. :tup:

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

PS2, PS3, GC, Wii, Wii U and all handhelds that have online MP were all profitable with free online. Steam games sell for the price of a Big Mac after sales and all games tied to it have free, profitable online. Most MMO’s these days are actually F2P and still manage to be profitable because of giving consumers the **option ** to buy items/support the developers with real money.

It doesn’t cost much to keep up dedicated servers/matchmaking servers. If it did, battle.net 1.0 would have closed down over 10 years ago and games like Diablo 1 that came out in the mid 90’s as well as StarCraft 1 wouldn’t be playable anymore. Keeping up servers costs almost the equivalent of keeping your PC on 24/7. That’s it. It’s comforting to know I can play games from over a decade ago online still on PC, and the only thing that would keep me from doing so is their still being a community for it or not, not when Sony/Microsoft decides to pull the plug. I didn’t realize MAG went F2P until a week before its servers got shut down. I feel like I missed out, because I actually played the game and enjoyed it, and would have loved to play it when it went F2P. Now that game, an online-only game, is useless and the game disc is equivalent to a coaster unless you have fun playing the SP tutorial for online MP over and over.

There are a lot of games that are online-only next-gen. This is worrying, because why would I want to buy a game that is going to eventually have its servers shut down, making my $60 investment worthless, and making me wanting to replay the game later on down the line impossible?

This is greed, plain and simple. The online playerbase is going to be smaller next-gen compared to this one almost guaranteed. If you thought games died fast this gen that are F2P online, how fast do you think games are going to die when their multiplayer aspect is tied behind a paywall and possibly an online pass if you bought used?

In the end it doesn’t matter if you support and like PS+ or not. Online paywalls are not good for us as consumers, and it isn’t good for us as an online community.

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

How will it be better for the community when it’s going to sever it?

[drizzt360]

I dont give a fuck about the pay wall for online games. Plus is a pretty awesome service and I would keep it going regrdless.

P.S. I think I will get me a PS4. It just seems to strong when combined with a Vita.

[Sarangha]

@Sarangha Get NG3: Razor’s Edge. It’s fucking amazing. If you get it, I’ll coop with you/go HAM in VS mode.

I kind of want to go HAM in NGS2 as well if you’d still be down to coop that sometime. :tup:

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

PS2, PS3, GC, Wii, Wii U and all handhelds that have online MP were all profitable with free online. Steam games sell for the price of a Big Mac after sales and all games tied to it have free, profitable online. Most MMO’s these days are actually F2P and still manage to be profitable because of giving consumers the **option ** to buy items/support the developers with real money.

It doesn’t cost much to keep up dedicated servers/matchmaking servers. If it did, battle.net 1.0 would have closed down over 10 years ago and games like Diablo 1 that came out in the mid 90’s as well as StarCraft 1 wouldn’t be playable anymore. Keeping up servers costs almost the equivalent of keeping your PC on 24/7. That’s it. It’s comforting to know I can play games from over a decade ago online still on PC, and the only thing that would keep me from doing so is their still being a community for it or not, not when Sony/Microsoft decides to pull the plug. I didn’t realize MAG went F2P until a week before its servers got shut down. I feel like I missed out, because I actually played the game and enjoyed it, and would have loved to play it when it went F2P. Now that game, an online-only game, is useless and the game disc is equivalent to a coaster unless you have fun playing the SP tutorial for online MP over and over.

There are a lot of games that are online-only next-gen. This is worrying, because why would I want to buy a game that is going to eventually have its servers shut down, making my $60 investment worthless, and making me wanting to replay the game later on down the line impossible?

This is greed, plain and simple. The online playerbase is going to be smaller next-gen compared to this one almost guaranteed. If you thought games died fast this gen that are F2P online, how fast do you think games are going to die when their multiplayer aspect is tied behind a paywall and possibly an online pass if you bought used?

In the end it doesn’t matter if you support and like PS+ or not. Online paywalls are not good for us as consumers, and it isn’t good for us as an online community.

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

How will it be better for the community when it’s going to sever it?

Yeah I’m down for some NGS2 co-op sometime.

Also didn’t they announce games for windows live service was going down? What does that mean for those products? You make good points on paywalls but it’s one of those things where it seemed inevitable. The minute people payed for live was the minute Sony followed suit. Plus has been good to me so I can’t complain much.

[therook]

PS+ on it’s on makes it worth paying for, the online multiplayer imo is a added bonus for someone like me who mainly plays single player games outside of fighters(FFXIV is the exception). I can still share game footage to FB and Twitter without having PS+ and I believe the Streaming services for UStream and Twitch are also not hidden behind the paywall as well.

If for some reason I don’t choose to renew my PS+ sub, it’s not hurting me as bad as say XBL by stripping me of most privileges.

-God Eater 2 PSV 2000 is a must have…

[krazykone123]

For every person who skips out on netplay I’m sure Sony will find 7+ more people to take his/her place, especially all those people migrating from 360.

I don’t like paywalls either but this hardly effects me, I use my brother’s PC for multi-plats, and I use PSN+ for my Vita so I’m already covered. Hell if you pay for PSN+ for PSP/Vita/PS3/PS4 you’re covered for all systems, sure it might suck but it’s still a pretty big incentive for anyone who owns a Playstation system nowadays.

You can always play on PS3 because it’ll be around for awhile, it’ll most likely get a 10+ year plan since late adopters will wanna try out Gaikai and PSN+.

All this talk about netplay reminds of when I played PSO 1&2 on the scthack private server on Gamecube, good times.

[therook]

Did anyone mention the Japanese PS family bundles? I know Japan gets the PS4 way later in Feb.22 of 2014 but they do get a different launch lineup and one bundle does come with the PS eye, which is kinda nifty for those who were on the fence about it.

Spoiler

http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps4/hardware/

And a link to the Japanese Vita bundles…

Spoiler

http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvita/hardware/2013_aw_limited/

speaking of PSO, PSO Nova looks interesting…you think Sega will localize or just don’t think twice about it and import it like most good Vita games?

[DANZAN]

i still think that the bitching about PS+ is exaggerated.

on XBL… unless you are a goldmember you can’t do anything. You can’t chat in parties , and if you log on from your computer to check your inbox (xbox.com) you can’t even send regular txt messages to people who has messaged you or even friends. not to mention all of the apps that are locked away. Another really shitty thing is that gamedemos are first avaliable for the goldmembers , those who don’t have gold have to wait 1-2 weeks in order to play a demo that was just released…A DEMO !!!

Not until recently has MS started to dish out some free games for the goldmembers. games such as fable 3 (shit) and dead rising 2 (meh ok).
This is the first time they have EVERRRRR given ANYTHING to the peoples who pay for gold. They will stop this in december though so it’s not like XBL is gonna become somewhat like PS+ (which would have been great for all the 360 owners). No this was just xbone and damagecontrol.

The positive thing about XBL however , i would say , is it’s stability. Not much lag when playing online , pretty reliable , rarely goes down.
And my theory about it all is this… People pay MS so that MS can keep all them servers clean. Makes sense yes?
So now that Sony is starting to charge for PSN , i do believe that the service itself will improve greatly.
And yeah you still get free games and tons of content and what not.

And lastly… As someone here on SRK said about this before… If you can’t afford to pay 5$ /month you shouldn’t really be playing videogames.
LUL noBB

[Sonicabid]

@Sarangha Get NG3: Razor’s Edge. It’s fucking amazing. If you get it, I’ll coop with you/go HAM in VS mode.

I kind of want to go HAM in NGS2 as well if you’d still be down to coop that sometime. :tup:

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

PS2, PS3, GC, Wii, Wii U and all handhelds that have online MP were all profitable with free online. Steam games sell for the price of a Big Mac after sales and all games tied to it have free, profitable online. Most MMO’s these days are actually F2P and still manage to be profitable because of giving consumers the **option ** to buy items/support the developers with real money.

It doesn’t cost much to keep up dedicated servers/matchmaking servers. If it did, battle.net 1.0 would have closed down over 10 years ago and games like Diablo 1 that came out in the mid 90’s as well as StarCraft 1 wouldn’t be playable anymore. Keeping up servers costs almost the equivalent of keeping your PC on 24/7. That’s it. It’s comforting to know I can play games from over a decade ago online still on PC, and the only thing that would keep me from doing so is their still being a community for it or not, not when Sony/Microsoft decides to pull the plug. I didn’t realize MAG went F2P until a week before its servers got shut down. I feel like I missed out, because I actually played the game and enjoyed it, and would have loved to play it when it went F2P. Now that game, an online-only game, is useless and the game disc is equivalent to a coaster unless you have fun playing the SP tutorial for online MP over and over.

There are a lot of games that are online-only next-gen. This is worrying, because why would I want to buy a game that is going to eventually have its servers shut down, making my $60 investment worthless, and making me wanting to replay the game later on down the line impossible?

This is greed, plain and simple. The online playerbase is going to be smaller next-gen compared to this one almost guaranteed. If you thought games died fast this gen that are F2P online, how fast do you think games are going to die when their multiplayer aspect is tied behind a paywall and possibly an online pass if you bought used?

In the end it doesn’t matter if you support and like PS+ or not. Online paywalls are not good for us as consumers, and it isn’t good for us as an online community.

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

How will it be better for the community when it’s going to sever it?

Yeah I’m down for some NGS2 co-op sometime.

Also didn’t they announce games for windows live service was going down? What does that mean for those products? You make good points on paywalls but it’s one of those things where it seemed inevitable. The minute people payed for live was the minute Sony followed suit. Plus has been good to me so I can’t complain much.

The minute people started paying for DLC and paywalls for the original Xbox was bad for all of us. If it wasn’t successful, online paywalls wouldn’t exist, and “DLC” would be free unlockables on the disc instead of a $10-15 100KB unlock code.

Those games are getting patched to remove the horrible GFWL functionality, so they’ll be playable even after it goes down(Msoft said the service will stay up as well, so you could still sign into the games that need you to use it.) You won’t be able to buy games from the service anymore though.

The only GFWL game I have on PC is Batman: AC and that came with securom DRM too on top of GFWL. I can only install it 4 times before I can’t ever install it again, so I don’t know when I’m going to ever reinstall it.

I think I might be a bit rusty in NGS2. I’ve been playing Razor’s Edge over it a lot. Razor’s Edge takes more from vanilla NG2 than anything else, and the more videos I watch of vanilla NGII combined with the few odd times I’ve played it makes me believe the original NGII is better than NGS2(seems to be a popular opinion everywhere I’ve gone as well.)

I need to borrow my brothers Xbox and my nephews copy of vanilla NGII to really get into it more. The big difference is the huge enemy count, the game doesn’t feel as empty as NGS2 does. Razor’s Edge took this route, constant barrage of enemies at almost all times. It’s great. You need to get it ASAP!

[Lord_Raptor]

Yeah definitley getting a PS4, hopefully I’ll be able to grabt he PS4/Vita bundle. Just wish KI wasn’t X1 exclusive.

[Sarangha]

@Sarangha Get NG3: Razor’s Edge. It’s fucking amazing. If you get it, I’ll coop with you/go HAM in VS mode.

I kind of want to go HAM in NGS2 as well if you’d still be down to coop that sometime. :tup:

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

PS2, PS3, GC, Wii, Wii U and all handhelds that have online MP were all profitable with free online. Steam games sell for the price of a Big Mac after sales and all games tied to it have free, profitable online. Most MMO’s these days are actually F2P and still manage to be profitable because of giving consumers the **option ** to buy items/support the developers with real money.

It doesn’t cost much to keep up dedicated servers/matchmaking servers. If it did, battle.net 1.0 would have closed down over 10 years ago and games like Diablo 1 that came out in the mid 90’s as well as StarCraft 1 wouldn’t be playable anymore. Keeping up servers costs almost the equivalent of keeping your PC on 24/7. That’s it. It’s comforting to know I can play games from over a decade ago online still on PC, and the only thing that would keep me from doing so is their still being a community for it or not, not when Sony/Microsoft decides to pull the plug. I didn’t realize MAG went F2P until a week before its servers got shut down. I feel like I missed out, because I actually played the game and enjoyed it, and would have loved to play it when it went F2P. Now that game, an online-only game, is useless and the game disc is equivalent to a coaster unless you have fun playing the SP tutorial for online MP over and over.

There are a lot of games that are online-only next-gen. This is worrying, because why would I want to buy a game that is going to eventually have its servers shut down, making my $60 investment worthless, and making me wanting to replay the game later on down the line impossible?

This is greed, plain and simple. The online playerbase is going to be smaller next-gen compared to this one almost guaranteed. If you thought games died fast this gen that are F2P online, how fast do you think games are going to die when their multiplayer aspect is tied behind a paywall and possibly an online pass if you bought used?

In the end it doesn’t matter if you support and like PS+ or not. Online paywalls are not good for us as consumers, and it isn’t good for us as an online community.

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

How will it be better for the community when it’s going to sever it?

Yeah I’m down for some NGS2 co-op sometime.

Also didn’t they announce games for windows live service was going down? What does that mean for those products? You make good points on paywalls but it’s one of those things where it seemed inevitable. The minute people payed for live was the minute Sony followed suit. Plus has been good to me so I can’t complain much.

The minute people started paying for DLC and paywalls for the original Xbox was bad for all of us. If it wasn’t successful, online paywalls wouldn’t exist, and “DLC” would be free unlockables on the disc instead of a $10-15 100KB unlock code.

Those games are getting patched to remove the horrible GFWL functionality, so they’ll be playable even after it goes down(Msoft said the service will stay up as well, so you could still sign into the games that need you to use it.) You won’t be able to buy games from the service anymore though.

The only GFWL game I have on PC is Batman: AC and that came with securom DRM too on top of GFWL. I can only install it 4 times before I can’t ever install it again, so I don’t know when I’m going to ever reinstall it.

I think I might be a bit rusty in NGS2. I’ve been playing Razor’s Edge over it a lot. Razor’s Edge takes more from vanilla NG2 than anything else, and the more videos I watch of vanilla NGII combined with the few odd times I’ve played it makes me believe the original NGII is better than NGS2(seems to be a popular opinion everywhere I’ve gone as well.)

I need to borrow my brothers Xbox and my nephews copy of vanilla NGII to really get into it more. The big difference is the huge enemy count, the game doesn’t feel as empty as NGS2 does. Razor’s Edge took this route, constant barrage of enemies at almost all times. It’s great. You need to get it ASAP!

The problem is buying NG3 means the completionist in me will sink 100+hrs like I did with Sigma 2. I don’t think I can do that again lol…

I still have NGS2 I lol’d at the price EB offered me. 7 bucks I think…so I’m like naw I’ll keep it. Put a ton of hrs into the game so I think I could definitely be of help. Our only enemy is the netcode, I hear RE improved it but the improvements to the netcode are miniscule though.

[Lord_Raptor]

Hate that I can’t delete post

[AriesWarlock]

That remote play

[Sonicabid]

Anyone put a 7200 RPM HDD into their PS3?

People are putting in those kind of HDD’s and even SSD’s into their PS3’s and it’s making their load times for a lot of their games extremely fast/next to non-existent. Really makes me want to get a new HDD, load times for some games can be brutal.

@Sarangha Get NG3: Razor’s Edge. It’s fucking amazing. If you get it, I’ll coop with you/go HAM in VS mode.

I kind of want to go HAM in NGS2 as well if you’d still be down to coop that sometime. :tup:

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

PS2, PS3, GC, Wii, Wii U and all handhelds that have online MP were all profitable with free online. Steam games sell for the price of a Big Mac after sales and all games tied to it have free, profitable online. Most MMO’s these days are actually F2P and still manage to be profitable because of giving consumers the **option ** to buy items/support the developers with real money.

It doesn’t cost much to keep up dedicated servers/matchmaking servers. If it did, battle.net 1.0 would have closed down over 10 years ago and games like Diablo 1 that came out in the mid 90’s as well as StarCraft 1 wouldn’t be playable anymore. Keeping up servers costs almost the equivalent of keeping your PC on 24/7. That’s it. It’s comforting to know I can play games from over a decade ago online still on PC, and the only thing that would keep me from doing so is their still being a community for it or not, not when Sony/Microsoft decides to pull the plug. I didn’t realize MAG went F2P until a week before its servers got shut down. I feel like I missed out, because I actually played the game and enjoyed it, and would have loved to play it when it went F2P. Now that game, an online-only game, is useless and the game disc is equivalent to a coaster unless you have fun playing the SP tutorial for online MP over and over.

There are a lot of games that are online-only next-gen. This is worrying, because why would I want to buy a game that is going to eventually have its servers shut down, making my $60 investment worthless, and making me wanting to replay the game later on down the line impossible?

This is greed, plain and simple. The online playerbase is going to be smaller next-gen compared to this one almost guaranteed. If you thought games died fast this gen that are F2P online, how fast do you think games are going to die when their multiplayer aspect is tied behind a paywall and possibly an online pass if you bought used?

In the end it doesn’t matter if you support and like PS+ or not. Online paywalls are not good for us as consumers, and it isn’t good for us as an online community.

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

How will it be better for the community when it’s going to sever it?

Yeah I’m down for some NGS2 co-op sometime.

Also didn’t they announce games for windows live service was going down? What does that mean for those products? You make good points on paywalls but it’s one of those things where it seemed inevitable. The minute people payed for live was the minute Sony followed suit. Plus has been good to me so I can’t complain much.

The minute people started paying for DLC and paywalls for the original Xbox was bad for all of us. If it wasn’t successful, online paywalls wouldn’t exist, and “DLC” would be free unlockables on the disc instead of a $10-15 100KB unlock code.

Those games are getting patched to remove the horrible GFWL functionality, so they’ll be playable even after it goes down(Msoft said the service will stay up as well, so you could still sign into the games that need you to use it.) You won’t be able to buy games from the service anymore though.

The only GFWL game I have on PC is Batman: AC and that came with securom DRM too on top of GFWL. I can only install it 4 times before I can’t ever install it again, so I don’t know when I’m going to ever reinstall it.

I think I might be a bit rusty in NGS2. I’ve been playing Razor’s Edge over it a lot. Razor’s Edge takes more from vanilla NG2 than anything else, and the more videos I watch of vanilla NGII combined with the few odd times I’ve played it makes me believe the original NGII is better than NGS2(seems to be a popular opinion everywhere I’ve gone as well.)

I need to borrow my brothers Xbox and my nephews copy of vanilla NGII to really get into it more. The big difference is the huge enemy count, the game doesn’t feel as empty as NGS2 does. Razor’s Edge took this route, constant barrage of enemies at almost all times. It’s great. You need to get it ASAP!

The problem is buying NG3 means the completionist in me will sink 100+hrs like I did with Sigma 2. I don’t think I can do that again lol…

I still have NGS2 I lol’d at the price EB offered me. 7 bucks I think…so I’m like naw I’ll keep it. Put a ton of hrs into the game so I think I could definitely be of help. Our only enemy is the netcode, I hear RE improved it but the improvements to the netcode are miniscule though.

RE netcode feels way, way better than NGS2’s. Huge difference. I was doing a coop run with someone from Mexico and the framerate never dipped once, and even if the game says you have a low red bar connection, you won’t feel it at all. Huge improvement, the crazy FPS dips/slowdown NGS2 would have is gone. The VS mode to me is more fun than Anarchy Reigns or GoW: Ascension, though the playerbase is very small and it can be hard to get VS mode games going.

Get RE, man. It’s so damn good. Perfect game for you to say goodbye to this gen with.

The digital version got a price drop recently. Disc version is the way to go though, you get to install it so your load times are pretty quick since the game is loading off the disc+HDD. I’ll help you snag all the coop/online trophies. The coop ones eventually get really difficult, but the online trophies are mostly just time sinks. The higher difficulties are the real difficult ones. That and, you need to clear the game with each female character but the game doesn’t keep track of what levels you cleared in Chapter Challenge with each character, so that can be annoying. All female characters are broke like Ryu as well, so it’s not hard at all, and you have all their skills ready to be unlocked off the bat. You have like 5-6 health upgrades which allow you to basically have a free health item just in case you’re having trouble with a boss or something.

Right now I’d be a better coop partner in RE than NGS2. You’d be carrying my ass in NGS2.

[HD-Man]

I almost wrote PS Vita TV off, but that remote play shit is cool as all hell

[Syke1]

I think they should make an anime based off that video.

[GomuGomu]

Looks like I’m gonna be playing Warframe come launch.

[Phantom_Angel]

I think they should make an anime based off that video.

I’m sure you’ll find one if you look hard enough

[RagingDemonStorm]

Sega ain’t shit until Shenmue 3

What they should do is HD remake 1&2 so people don’t have to buy obsolete consoles to play them

P.S. Happy 14th birthday Dreamcast. I miss Blue Stinger lol. Cashcom please

[Phantom_Angel]

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