The Official PLAYSTATION® Thread: E3 - PS4 Pro November 10th $399

[FurryCurry]

I’m surprised one of you are talking about how every PS4 in Japan is coming with the Eye Camera. What could Sony’s next move be with that I wonder?

Can we get some prices for North America and Europe Sony? Pweeze?

P.S. SirMixahLot your avatar… it…

[CloudEnvy]

Galaga DX is free tomorrow.
Dragon Fantasy Book 2 is out tomorrow.
Looks like I’ll be playing video games again…

And I finally platinum’d that Sonic Genesis Collection… Fucking Spinball… I’m so bad at that game.

I’m shocked that you were able to get the trophy for mean bean machine before the spinball trophy. The AI in that game can be ridiculous.

[HD-Man]

So Deep Down is basically Capcom’s version of Dark Souls? Was expecting a Dragon’s Dogma sequel

[Azure]

PS3 has proven additional latency across most games. Many have pointed to the additional ram that the PS3 uses for its UI alonE, since both PS3 and 360 are p2p. PS4 apparently has a smooth UI and more ram to work with, hopefully ps+ being mandatory helps in Sony improving their network overall. Honestly I think Xrd will run better on PS4 both offline and online. It also helps that the PS4 is much more easier to develop for I’d probably get it for the new console. Most peeps will migrate to PS4 by 2015 anyway.

Well, they had best get it working equally well on the PS3 as on the PS4.

Or else they can go eat a bag of freshly severed AIDS infected monkey dicks.

I LOVE GG.

But Sony can go sodomize themselves into a shitty, bloody, hemorrhaging death with their PS+ ass-fuckery.

PS+ what?

PS+weeping herpes blisters, is what.

If I wanted to get extorted twice for my internet for absolutely fuck-all reason, other than the company in question is a bunch of greedy corporate cocksuckers who have nil respect for me or any other potential customer and believe we are spineless mindless twats who will comply with whatever bullshit exploitative unethical additional fees that they shovel out as forcibly mandatory with their console… I’d buy a Microsoft system.

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.
There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

I do not believe any of this for an instant.

It is pure, unadulterated greed on Sony’s part - nothing more.

Feel free to pay for it though.

I will not.

Other options exist.

[SirMixahLot]

I’m surprised one of you are talking about how every PS4 in Japan is coming with the Eye Camera. What could Sony’s next move be with that I wonder?

Can we get some prices for North America and Europe Sony? Pweeze?

P.S. SirMixahLot your avatar… it…

NSFW:

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[quote=“SirMixahLot, post:26, topic:164302”]

"More Capcom goodness coming your way soon."

fuck iron galaxy.

who those titties belong to in mixalots av?

Desiree Elyda

https://twitter.com/desireexelyda

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[AriesWarlock]

Yeah, squeeze those oranges.^

[Azure]

@Sarangha

I apologize for the brevity of my initial reply - I was out at lunch, at the time.

Your response merits better, so here goes:

You would still lose more going that route over PS4 tbh.

I absolutely agree, monetarily speaking - it is without argument.

But I’d lose exactly as much, ethically.

Yeah it would be great if online was free on consoles with quality networks but it isn’t falsifiable at the moment. MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong. P2P is another story but after the Sony hack it was only logical for them to recoup the cost via subscription.

This I disagree with, utterly and totally.

LOTS of services go the free route, and are quite profitable.

Not the least of which is Sony themselves.

The hack wasn’t due to their having a shoddy network.

It was due to shoddy baseline design of their security.

There are positives to digital titles like having a game that doesn’t work the fans much since it’s on your HDD and not BR disc but the fact that it’s digital makes it less valuable than something physical. Since you can take it anywhere and sell it. Until digital titles allow for resale and be taken anywhere via usb storage they won’t be equal to physical media. The good news is digital titles are usually cheaper or end up being dirt cheap after a few years. We’ve been losing consumer rights for a while and I am not saying we should accept it but the PS+ service>>>>XBL Gold. Even if it is a glorified rental service it still beats what most companies offer atm. Once the new batch of must get games drop from the land of the rising sun most people will gladly jump on the PS4/Plus bandwagon.

Digital is not there yet, I agree.

Steam and its ilk make it worth it, with their price structure, and, y’know, free P2P service.

Want out of this reality? Go to the Himalayas and renounce material goods, or go PC and miss out on some JP AAA titles. People were getting the shaft decades before we were born and probably decades after we rot and decay. Just pay for what you like and ignore the rest. Man if we got a digital Yakuza 5 I wouldn’t even be mad…

I am “out of this”, really.

If I want to play games online, I’ll simply use my PS3, 3DS, or PC.

Or Wii U, when Nintendo finally gets enough games out for it, to merit my purchasing it.

If you got a way for consoles to offer free online and make it profitable I’m all ears. Sadly making consoles isn’t a profitable business and hence the reason behind the theory PC will take over in the decades to come. MS only got in the game to prevent Sony taking over the living room and Sony got into the game cause Nintendo said no. Nintendo doesn’t know much else outside the gaming market…unless you look into their past making toasters. It’s a hard knock life for console makers, even harder for 3rd party devs trying to make AAA titles but going bankrupt.

I’ll reiterate - EVERY other gaming service out there, be it Steam, Battle.NET, etc., et al, barring Live, is free.

AAA title are bloat shite, and the industry as a whole would be infinitely better off without them.

This isn’t a matter of affordability.

My laptop alone ran me $2500 - much less all of my other tech goodies.

Much less my games - of which I have purchase over 60 disc based ones on PS3 alone, let alone the 50 “PSN Only” ones that I have.

Much less all of my other software.

This is a matter of principle.

It is a matter of taking a stand against ever increasing, continued abuse of the consumer, by corporate greed.

Day One DLC, First Buyer, Always On… these tactics of this generation of gaming were already destroying the fun of a hobby that I have enjoyed for the majority of my life.

And now Sony wants their consumers to PAY THEM, to use the internet that their consumers already pay their IPs to provide?

What nonsense.

What nonsensical, ego maniacal tosh.

At BEST it is nonsensical ego maniacal tosh.

In a more direct tone, it is a derisive sneer, and a colossal “Fuck you. Bend over and like it, you goddamn brain-dead junkie.”

I do not know WHO the Sony believes they are actually able to speak to in that manner, and still keep their business… but it sure as fuck is not me.

[Hawkingbird]

Why are you treating PS+ on PS4 like it’s LIVE? Online multiplayer is the only thing so far that’s behind the paywall. Streaming, multimedia services, F2P games, party chat and video and other internet related services ain’t. It’s not the scum LIVE is.

[subt-L]

once again, i dislike the paywall for online, but i love ps+ and the added value that it gives you is so much, i feel everyone should have it.

ps+ online paywall is probably the most insignificant battle you could take part in. i understand the resistance to it, but you will be a better person for it afterwards.

[TheRock-BoS]

MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong.

MGO went wrong because you had to sign up for a Konami account, download patches, and buy all the DLC/content OUTSIDE of the Playstation Store.

They made it so convoluted just to start playing, it was a barrier of entry for too many people who would have played anyways.

[DANZAN]

Glad to see Sarangha is back.
Missed you , full bromo.

[Phantom_Angel]

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

[Hecatom]

Why are you treating PS+ on PS4 like it’s LIVE? Online multiplayer is the only thing so far that’s behind the paywall. Streaming, multimedia services, F2P games, party chat and video and other internet related services ain’t. It’s not the scum LIVE is.

Add that for what it has been said the online play will be behind the paywall by discretion of the developer iirc.
Nothing says that there can’t be some sort of free online multiplayer on the games with a more juicy experience on PS+

[Sarangha]

@Sarangha
I do not know WHO the Sony believes they are actually able to speak to in that manner, and still keep their business… but it sure as fuck is not me.

Yeah I agree with most of those points TBH. The problem is some of the games I really want to play are available for PS4, JP devs aren’t feeling PC.

PS+ is a whole different animal though. Some people aren’t into PS+ and that’s cool I guess but the sales,free games/rentals betas etc are awesome. You have every right to vote with your wallet.

MGO was a good example of how free dedicated servers can go wrong.

MGO went wrong because you had to sign up for a Konami account, download patches, and buy all the DLC/content OUTSIDE of the Playstation Store.

They made it so convoluted just to start playing, it was a barrier of entry for too many people who would have played anyways.

It’s not just the issues of signing up but the servers/netcode were pretty bad. They had dedicated servers yet the lag was unbearable at times, and you would have tons of D/C’s and room closures. This was pre-glitch fest too so having dedicated servers doesn’t ensure they are going to be solid. I agree if it was on PSN P2P it might actually be > Konami ghetto servers. Hoping the new LA studio learns from these mistakes but the system of MGO from a gameplay standpoint was really good. Just terrible network conditions and policy.

Edit: A lot of the issues were amplified with the new maps that were too complex for the current MGO engine.

[BigDewey]

[details=Spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5pkaWp8Xso

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Confirmed for PS3 and PS4
https://twitter.com/Yamanaka_ARC/status/376976586345422848

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The moment I saw the trailer I could think is “Killer Instinct who?”

No disrespect to the XB1 guys (they maybe getting this too), but the new KI is the short straw of fighting games. Just saying it’s going to be the first next-gen fighter made me chuckle.

[Gren]

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

Nah, both are still issues on Live. Trolls/kids & people who play whilst streaming/downloading pron will flock to whichever service is most popular. I look forward to muting everyone except those on my friend’s list with PSN v2.0

[Phantom_Angel]

I agree with the PS+ online multiplayer pay wall for a couple reasons:

1. It’ll weed out the inconsiderate people with shitty, inconsistent connections.
2. Less troll accounts will be made

PS+ is something you might as well have anyway, as it’s worth paying for and isn’t very expensive. I understand the qualms about it being required for online multiplayer, though. Just think of how much better the online community will be because of it.

Nah, both are still issues on Live. Trolls/kids & people who play whilst streaming/downloading pron will flock to whichever service is most popular. I look forward to muting everyone except those on my friend’s list with PSN v2.0

Live gives out free 1 month subs like candy, though. Even then, it isn’t as easy as PSN where you can just make account after account for free and play online indefinitely. I’m not comparing it to XBL, since it’s entirely situational either way, but PSN+ should see an improvement from PSN. Think of it like putting a barricade with a warning around an expensive artifact in a museum… The low tier trolls are going to shy away, but the dedicated ones are going to pull all the stops to touch it anyway.

[subt-L]

Yoshida says there will be "No Surprises" at TGS from Sony: The Last Guardian is...

clever ruse or do they feel they have done everything they need to leading up to tgs next week?

this flies in the face of their impending oculus rift style headset that was rumored to be announced at tgs…

[krazykone123]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/09/yoshida-says-there-will-be-no-surprises-at-tgs-from-sony-the-last-guardian-is-skipping-again/

clever ruse or do they feel they have done everything they need to leading up to tgs next week?

Yosp is a master ruseman, we’re gonna see more 3rd party stuff.

A new Earth Defense Force announced for Playstation 4 - VG247

[Sarangha]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/09/yoshida-says-there-will-be-no-surprises-at-tgs-from-sony-the-last-guardian-is-skipping-again/

clever ruse or do they feel they have done everything they need to leading up to tgs next week?

this flies in the face of their impending oculus rift style headset that was rumored to be announced at tgs…

Shenmue 3 will come out before Last Guardian, bet it.