1841

Nice craftsmenship.

What did you use for start and select. They seem smaller than the happ competitions but not exactly Japanese 24 mm sanwa buttons.

1842

Thanks, I Think it came out quite nicely.

I bought the start and select buttons from Happ; it is their “momentary contact” button offering. Interesting thing about these buttons is that they are built by Sanwa. Flip them upside down and there is the Sanwa name.

I don’t understand it myself but I’m happy with it. I’m hoping it might turn into Happ re-selling Sawna items but I doubt it.

GE

1843

Thats good to know.

yeah, they must be reselling Sanwa parts. From the dimmensions it doesn’t seem like the regular sized japanese buttons. I think that what they are selling is what Sanwa would call their OBSM-24. It’s basically the screw on type of Sanwa button of the 24mm size instead of 30mm. Too bad, it could have been a really good find for Sanwa buttons. They are so expensive from other sources.

1844

wow! they have some sanwa 24 buttons! It’s better than nothing, at least you can use them as start/select buttons.

1845

I know that the ps2 madkatz pad is simple to hack, but has anyone had any troubles using it through converters? I hacked a madkatz pcb, but the stick wouldn’t work with my MagicBox usb converter for my pc, or the total control converter for the Xbox, but works fine going into a PS2…any ideas why? i was thinking that the male end of the wire had too much plastic, not letting all the contacts hit within the converters. either that, or the madkatz is a piece of shit, or the converters are.

i’m also curious about hacking the new pelican pads, either the neon one(you’ll know it when you see it) or the standard see through one. I tried one, and the contacts looked a little strange. I may have shorted the pad out, since start was the only working button, so I’m going to try it one more time.

any other ps guts you guys know of that are compatible with converters?

and has anyone figured out how to hack Xbox pads to give you L+R without using the reflex joystick? only periphirals around here are madkatz, type S, and the makers of the reflex, can’t remember manufacturer, but thier pads.

any help would be awesome…

thanks.

1846

This is why I say Sony is the only way to go when you want to do it right…

1847

Smallest DC PCB?

Hi all, looking to see if anyone has come across small pcb’s for Dreamcast controllers. Physically small pcb, with support for 6 buttons digitally (no analog. I don’t care if button 5 + 6 are L + R or C + Z, as long as they are digital and not analog). Doesn’t have to be third party, and doesn’t have to have a VMU slot, and I am not afraid to solder. The PCB in an Agetec stick would work, but I don’t want to destroy my beloved Agetec, and they can get quite pricey on ebay. I was hoping someone could point out one of the many piece of crap fighting sticks for the DC that had a small pcb suitable for hacking. Or had a busted up Agetec they would gut for me.

If your curious, the PCB will be going in a small project box to attach to the stick via a DB 15 connector, and would like it as small and neat as possible.

1848

how did you manage to solder to those new dual shock 2’s??? i see the contacts, but they’re so micro! while i was testing it, i’d tapped ground to those points, and no action…i’m going to have to look into those again, seeing as that 3rd parties suck for converters. well, madkatz anyways, the pelican worked fine with converters.

1849

The original dual shocks for playstation have the traditional soldering points, and it works fine with magicbox. Some of the newer “psone” dual shocks have the same plastic pad that the ps2 dual shocks have.

1850

if it has the little plastic screen that you can’t solder to, you can solder directly to the pins that the plastic screen connects to.
I posted the labellings a few posts back.

The only reason why the dualshock 2 can’t be hack is because of all the analog buttons.

Yes I too, prefer the sony pads.:slight_smile:

1851

so are you saying if i was to hack any new 1st party pad, go for the psONE pad instead of the dualshock 2? if that’s the case, i’ll run out and get one of those tomorrow…
I’m still shocked you were able to solder to those pins…you guys are master solder-ers…(wth, is that a word?)

thanks for the help…now about the xbox hacking…

1852

the Dualshock2 can be hacked depending on which series. I’m working on one now as I’ve been mapping out the “film” (not screen) pins.

for Dualshocks. Most of the PSOne dualshocks are series H. This is the one I look for and sometimes can even get used ones for as low as $7. I’m finishing up a stick with this pad right now and I hooked up the Mode button and even the LED.

PICS WILL FOLLOW. I’ve been thinking about writing a full tutorial on how to hack the PSOne Dualshock Series H pad but the info can be found on my site. When done correctly it should look something like this.

You’ll notice that the board is also labled from 1-16.
1 - mode change (didn’t wire up in the shot)
2 - Joy Left (peach)
3 - Joy Down
4 - Joy Right
5 - Joy UP
6 - Start
7 - Select
8 - L2
9 - R2
10 - L1
11 - R1
12 - <| Button
13 - O Button
14 - X Button
15 - [] Button
16 - Ground (black)

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Pros on cons of Dualshock 1 and 2.

DualShock 1:

  1. they are just plain cheaper. Even new for $20
  2. most of the new PSOne (white plug) ones are Series H which is easier to hack.
  3. you can hack the ribbon cable or the back of the pressure pins for the ribbon cable socket.
  4. forward and backward compatible to PSOne and PS2.
  5. the white plug is kinda cute.
  6. Grey plugs/cords look kinda boring.

DualShock 2:

  1. People will say, “wow how did you hack that one?” Shows Skillz…
  2. the black Sony cord/plug is just way cool.
  3. forward and backward compatible to both consoles.
  4. much more costly at $25 and less are used.

Additional note to the previous post.

These hacks are hard. Not everyone can do them and you have to be really carefull as the pins are so close that you’ll be prone to shorting two pins together. I’ve done 6+ of these I had to fix one slight soldering error on may lastest project last night.

Now if I can only source the 1.5V blue LED’s for the controller PCB … it would be really cool… I WANT TO CHANGE MY PAD TO A BLUE LED!!!

1854

i hate the newest ps/ps2 controllers with a passion! with the plastic film that are the contacts with the buttons, that relay the circuit to the board. I hate that new design, it makes hacking them a pain in the ass. I can’t seem to find any decent first party pads, since they’re all the new ones…erg. I’m just going to have to scour some random funcoland in the middle of nowhere.

have you tried hacking the newest controllers? i can where the signal would be going when i take off that film with the relays, is it possible to solder to those points and have them work?

1855

Yes, exactly. That’s what DF was talking about. There are pins that push down onto the film and there are solder points going to these pins that you can solder to.

You can’t blame Sony for not making a better pad for you to hack.

1856

I can, and I will.:smiley: :slight_smile:

I figure, they make shitty hardware anyways, the least they could do is make pads I can hack…lol.

1857

I’ve posted pics of my latest DualShock series H hack/stick on my website. You’ve seen how I hack it but I wanted to show full implimentation.

1858

If anyone can help me out…

I need a template that’s like this:
10 button layout:
-4 button top
-4 button bottom
-about 1 1/2 inches up, the start and select button next to each other.

if someone has it, thx in advance.

1859

their template won’t work for you control panel since everyone has their own designs. Most of which are based off of some arcade layout (or should be)

The thing is that since no one knows the dimensions of the top of your joystick, it’s pointless.

I like to keep to these points.

  1. I like to keep the two centered hand positions based on the joystick and the middle of the cluster of capcom 6 buttons.

  2. I like to keep the capcom 6 on the present 1 5/8" grid for larger sticks and the older 1 1/2" grid for smaller areas that you’re working with.

  3. the japanese layout (see namco PSX) is good for sticks based off of 6 buttons and a Sanwa stick but not exactly for 8 gameplay buttons.

  4. I don’t like the 8 buttons in a perfect grid for the PlayStation based sticks. There is no natural Neo-Geo button.

other than these factors I drill them accordingly to what my customers feel is comfortable, asthetic and familiar to their favorite games. If you only play Capcom games then it’s easy. If you play 4 button, VF or GGX games then you have a challenge to layout something smart for all of them.

1860

-edit-
is there anyway to tell if a psone dualshock is series H, other than looking on the back of the controller? The reason I ask is because I want to buy new ones but the packaging doesn’t allow you to see the back of the controller.