I can’t speak a ton for ken/shuma except the following mixup…
Using ken… (blocked) standing fierce while calling shuma expansion assist xx command roll… this should create a situation where they have to block shuma crossup and even if they do you can go for a hk throw or low hit after… or even another standing fierce into roll once again.
As for people to slot in third… it’s a tough call with shuma in the middle. He doesn’t have any sort of anti air assist so you’ll want a third character that does most likely. The problem here is managing to safely apply pressure as ken at that point… since he doesn’t have a real projectile and you won’t have a projectile assist. The alternatives are finding someone else for the middle or running with no AAA. The latter is hard until you really get to know the game and even then it’s prefered to have one.
Ken himself is a very good anti air assist so you could always just slot him last and put shuma or another as first. The other nice thing about slotting ken last (I do this also on my thanos team) is that he’s got pretty decent rushdown… and his glitchy tatsu combos can net kills really fast. So as a last man standing he can still win quite often.
If you don’t mind top tier and your just looking for effectiveness… slot storm first… lol
Your better off using storm 2nd - land eyeballs - when you DHC they explode - unblockable hailstorm. Look up the Mike_z video/s on www.zachd.com/mvc2 -might also be on Youtube.
Anybody still play mvc2? Well I have some questions that I hope someone can answer.
Which projectile assists are better in the game? Are beams as good as they are in mvc3?
How good is storm’s projectile? How good is Spiral’s forward projectile? I like both of their projectiles b/c they travel kind of slow.
Also what would be a good assist char for storm. I’m playing Omega Red-Storm-xxx. Or possibly Spiral if she’s any good on point. What about Doom finger lasers or rocks? I like the area that finger lasers covers, but are they any good. Like do they get eaten up by other stuff easy. And rocks seems pretty good.
Wow sorry it took so long for someone to get back to you…
->Projectile assists are pretty good for rushdown. Storm’s is great. Magnus’s isn’t bad. Cable’s sorta sucks. Spiral’s is amazing. Iceman’s very good as well. Ironman’s is ok but his AAA is better. Basically beams, multihitters, and slow movers. These are best for lots of reasons.
->Storms projectile is really good but VERY punishable if you are doing it to much in a match. It’s better as an assist b/c your point can cover the slow startup and then get a ton of coverage when it goes off.
->beams are way better in marvel 2. They go strait through “fireball” type projectiles. Not all beams are the same. Some reach full screen instantly and others need to get there. For instance cyclops does optic blast… ryu does fireball… ryu will get shot in the face and cyclops can even cancel to super… BUT… iceman vs ryu… icemans shoots icemean… ryu can actually shoot fireball and cancel to super… and the fireball will “hold back” the icebeam for a couple frames… allowing the super to come out and beat it.
->Spiral’s projectile assist is annoyingly good. She can be called way to often… causes a ton of blockstun… helps lots of stuff combo. The real choice tho is if you wanna use her ground assist. It’s also very good for combos… causes a ton of blockstun (just up close instead of far), and more importantly gives you a much better team super. When spiral only has 1 bar she can do a simple s.lp, s.mp xx a1+a2 and she will do 60%+ dmg. One of the few good team supers in the game to use solo.
->You third slot should probably be an anti-air assist. Against better opponents it can be very hard to not get hit without one… and since it sounds like you want to do some run away/zoning you really need one. Fleeing is very risky b/c you are giving your opp 100 chances to catch you. Rushdown is safer IMO b/c you only need to get that touch… not avoid 100 touches.
->Spiral is great on point if you have a strong projectile assist and strong AAA. If one of those two is also good at converting meter into damage you are really set b/c she builds a shit ton easily and doesn’t need it to be effective.
->Doom pink shit lasers are really great but also not that good at the same time. Lot of the cast will have to be good at wavedashing to punish you… the other half can often do it for free tho. Doom is a low skill character that is much much harder to use against good players. His rocks assist is amazing at almost everything you might call an assist for.
Thanks for the input. I think I’ll keep an AA assist for my anchor. I’m thinking maybe cyclops or cable. Who are some other good AA assists that work well with Storm? Capcom, BH, Guile, Ken, but are they any good solo as anchors? Does ken have a shinkuu?
Cyclops and cable both work as good AAA’s and both make pretty decent anchors. Mando is great. Ken is also very good… Guile is pretty good… psyloche is amazing. For most of those they are just get the fuck off me assists… but you can normally get a hail off to combo when your AAA hits. Psyloche is probably the best simply b/c not only does she keep people off you but obviously gives you free combos as well.
Ken does not have a shinkuu hadoken. All his supers are up close… but at least 2 out of the 3 are very good. Both is shoryu style supers start up completely invincible. You df+pp and you can punish/beat out anything up close pretty much. It’s pretty awesome since a lot of moves you can watch start up… and counter with df+pp and win out every time. df+kk is similar but obviously goes strait up. You can use it to beat telegraphed jump in… and also to punish certain strats. Like tron or cammy trying to do special moves that carry them across the screen above your head. Just own em with the super.
Overall with ken you wanna use his broken combo tho… his supers are situational. cr.fp(launcher), sj.lp xx fierce hurricane kick. You might be thinking “hey i could get more hits in there” but the key to this combo is the tatsu hits don’t scale each other and do TONS of damage… so putting as few hits before the tatsu as possible eliminates almost all scaling. Ken does 50 to 60 percent with this meterless combo. (and yes it’s a glitch but meh… ken needs it).
I would say your best assist choices, if you want to combo afterwards, would be either cyclops or psylocke. Look at MSP or Matrix for storm/psylocke or storm/cyclops stuff. Justin did very well using styorm/cyclops in tourny.
Talking about Spiral, I have some spiral vids on my utube channel if you want to check them out, or if you have any specific questions you can ask me.
Spiral/Storm is pretty good. Storms projectile assist is really strong and will beat out anything they try to counter projectile you with, but you will not be able to setup a good lockdown with swords/storm projectile.
Who should pick for 3rd slot?I use Cammy-b and Jill-b and a filler character.I recently picked up this is game so i’m really bad at it.I can drop Cammy but I want to keep Jill.
Firstly, Cammy should be A type assist because that will be the most useful to your team. Also, You should put Cammy in the third slot, since shes your anti air assist. If you put her first and she dies its game over, because you will have no anti air meaning your opponent can go crazy with the rush down. As for the 3rd character You can try adding and assist like Tronn bonne since You can use her to mix up your opponent. Tonne bone would help Cammy and Jill a ton.
I’ve been using Jill-b/Cammy-a/Felicia-b for about a year. Jill is pretty good on point and Cammy on point can certainly hold her own, even against the god-tier. Felicia is pretty mediocre but I don’t see too many people use her so I decided to put her on this team to see what she can really do. Her Sand Splash assists has some really nice priority and her Hyper Sand Splash goes through just about anything even if she get’s hit during it.
Here are are few videos of my team to maybe help you understand the dynamics of Jill/Cammy/Felicia.
Also, you do not *NEED an anti-air assist on your team or if your AAA dies it does not automatically mean GAME OVER. It just means you have to be smarter about your defense and your blocking really has to be on point. I can think of 2 tournament-viable teams off the top of my head that don’t have (true) anti-air assists.
Yeah your right, sorry for saying without an anti air assist it’s game over. Its still possible to win without an anti air because Mss has no anti air and can still win matches.
Thanks guys! I tried Felicia but I’ve never liked her in Darkstalkers,and I don’t like her either in MVC2…Tron is good,but I keep doing jumping H as a combo starter… I found out that Akuma (Expansion) and Psylocke(AA) works well with Jill and Cammy.
It’s okay, you would have better synergy with Ruby/Cammy/Doom though, Doom AAA is really good with Ruby rush down, and it also helps making Cammy’s cannon drills more safe when done while calling Doom assist at the same time. Cammy/Doom rushdown can be really hard to deal with, and Ruby/Doom Lockdown is even worse, almost ragequit inducing if you catch them in the corner.
I think running gambit second wouldn’t be a bad idea. Using the walljump move and rocks at the same time, you can run some mixup. Gambit also provides a safe DHC from Marrow if you want to get her out safely.