The New TN Thread: Jaggas and Bingos all day

Trippfan · March 17, 2012, 5:45pm

let me look through my stuff. I may have one of those doors.

GeneiDjinn · March 17, 2012, 6:40pm

K’ mission 4 making me rage

how do I do QCB+BD after DP+A? Just really tight? Can I hold the button down or something? AHGAHSFJGHAAAGH
[combo is jC 5C qcb+D->qcb+D dp+A qcb+BD->qcb+BD dp+C->6B]

DGA_Gdlk_Rushdown · March 17, 2012, 6:48pm

What? Wait? Wut?

L-y-c-a-n · March 17, 2012, 8:00pm

GG’s to Hiryu last night.

All I can say is, I doubt anyone can beat me in SFxT right now! I dont know what sparked the urge for me to get back into fighters, but I am seriously liking this game. Jin is fucking retarded IMO…

Hiryu02 · March 17, 2012, 8:08pm

Stay free Orel. There is still some secret wiki technologies i havent taught you. Ggs regardless, you wine-drinking homo!

/its all love.

DGA_Gdlk_Rushdown · March 17, 2012, 8:10pm

I’ll take a bet Orel. bring that mexican ass to fight nights and i’ll gladly scrape the floor with your team. Jin is free to what i got in store hehehe.

ShawnMcCool · March 17, 2012, 8:23pm

I’m running Jin and Dhalsim. Much of Sim’s stuff is similar, but there’s a decent amount that’s changed. I’ve finally got a hand on the 2-frame link timing (i’m slow to adapt). I’m having a great time.

We played teams endless battle last night. It was so fun. I love how you can convert an endless battle into a team battle without having to like… close the room and restart it.

Also, picking up Kingdom of Amalur, today. Designed by Ken Rolston in an RA Salvatore universe(not sure what to expect on that point). I’m told it’s Oblivionish with emphasis on good combat. We’ll see.

Shin_Blade · March 17, 2012, 8:24pm

Lol I’m talking about the games bro, not gonna argue

Squabbler · March 17, 2012, 8:54pm

If it’s 360, and no one else wants it - I’ll take it. I need a test stick, since you know … our old area modder decided to move on to more “profitable” things aaaaand not really care about original FIRST customers.

Storyteller · March 17, 2012, 10:07pm

Wasn’t aware taking donations instead of working was a profitable thing. Maybe I should do this if it’ll pay my rent/bills/games on Steam

DreamTR · March 17, 2012, 10:16pm

I thought you guys told Duckie you didn’t want him at events? I don’t know the whole story, I just heard he was slow to mod/fix things, didn’t come through, things kept breaking, and the donations front page/Steam thing…

Not taking any sides here, just curious as to what happened…

Severin-X · March 17, 2012, 10:20pm

Just dont, let that subject stay dead already. Some people know the deal there and others dont either way its done.

Happy belated bday to J-Willy stay old son

Storyteller · March 17, 2012, 10:22pm

on a lol note, check this shit out

yay hacked dlc characters in ranked matches lets go

DGA_Gdlk_Rushdown · March 17, 2012, 10:23pm

@ shawn, ya give amalur a try it’s pretty good so far. The story is meh to me but i’m real picky when it comes to story elements in rpg’s, the combat is good,really good imo. As of right now i’m really liking the flame chakrams as my main weapon and thunder stave as my secondary. Playing a sorceress with rogue as my secondary class. Not too far into the main story either, just running around doing a bunch of side quests and looting and commiting murder lol!

@ shinblade, oh ok I was like wtf? Lol

@ squabb, well memphis has 2 modders now since i’ve too jumped on that wagon, so we can split our customers by deciding on ft5 matches in trojan.

DreamTR · March 17, 2012, 10:28pm

Thanks Sev =) I’ll always be older than everyone here, lol

Grimstar · March 17, 2012, 10:42pm

[details=Spoiler]@Grimstar

Sorry man, I apparently suck dick at forums. I’m probably a lot less of a douche in person.

Also, you might be interested in the 4th title here http://www.indieroyale.com/

To me, games cost too much. In my mind it’s because the consumer is so unsophisticated as to be obsessed with production quality over all else. You can identify this with games like Uncharted whose actual game-play is pretty pathetic. But, hey… they spent like a million dollars on animations, cinematography, and models. I guess some people get off on that. I figured that was why we had popcorn at movies that cost as much as 2 years worth of FG updates. shrug

To avoid being part of the problem some people are going to dodge SFxT --specifically-- to avoid paying the increased price in order to receive the increased production values. I think though, that in the world of fighting games. You’re going to have like 2 titles over the past 5 years (and none over the next 5) that one can ethically buy while holding onto this philosophy. And I have the feeling that most FG players who have a problem actually own (and will continue to buy) more than that.

I’m personally thankful for new revenue models since it allows you to distribute a lot of the costs of a game in a way that is best suited to your demographic. It just so happens that fighting game players are best serviced by making small to medium sized payments over time. I’d rather do that than deal with ads or pay $100 up front for a game that I may not even like.

They basically realized that people can get into the game up front for a modest fee then, when gamers get really into the game (the ones that do indeed actually like it) they can offer some asset work in exchange for providing their profit margin.

Naturally, increasing the size of the FGC will enable the profit margins to be higher. But, there’ll always be an escalation (not to mention inflation). People want more from newer games and more costs more so they have to charge more. This isn’t going to change even if fighting games go into recession again.

In some situations you’ll be annoyed that they have to charge more. Probably though, in many situations you’ll be able to justify it because you’re in some way personally invested for whatever reason.

There are a lot of old-thoughts about how profit should work. But there are also distinct advantages to approaching new revenue models in some situations and distinct disadvantages to using what was previously the standard model. These are advantages to the consumer and makes it more worthwhile for them to buy into a franchise to get their rocks off. If it wasn’t more of an advantage to the consumer then it wouldn’t be so wildly successful. Currently, fighting game players who enjoy the production quality of modern games and everything that comes from it need to understand that their game purchases, dlc purchases, and merchandise purchases are what make it happen.

Again, I agree that the game industry is too focused around these values. I’m ALL FOR indie values. Seriously, I think that great things can be made with under $100,000 budget. But, whether or not a fighting game could be made for a reasonable sum and still see any success in the current market I am doubtful at best.

If I made a serious fighting game it’d probably cost me somewhere around $100,000 and the production quality would be far below what the current industry titans have to offer. But, around there would be my sweet spot for what I’d be willing to put in and what I needed to get out. Unfortunately, for that budget I could only afford PC / Mac release. Nobody would play it and nobody would know about it. If somehow they did hear about it due to a grass-roots movement the graphics and ‘retro’ feel (euphemism for not expensive as hell to make) would make people immediately ignore it.

The only real fix for the situation is to not buy any more “expensive” games. Oh, and to make everyone else do the same thing. A good start would be to do what a lot of people are doing and just buy old games and continue to play the games that you have.

Not trying to attack you and say that you shouldn’t boycott what you find to be problematic. I just think that you may end up boycotting modern popular FGs as a whole.

For me, the only games that I tend to spend much of any money on are fighting games. The indie games that I buy are almost always very cheap (thanks to alternate distribution and revenue schemes). So, it doesn’t hurt me to put $60 (which is actually 60 euros, which is like 80 us dollars) to play a game for a year or more. I see the problem regarding production-values and overall cost. But, I’d rather play FG’s than not. So, consider me part of a problem that isn’t going to go away.

I hope that nobody is angry that I made another long post. This is obviously a topic that I’m interested in.

http://uk.gamespy.com/articles/107/1078084p1.html

Also, I really want to play that Chinese KoF98 ripoff.

BY THE WAY: I completely agree that DLC for most games is obviously horrible shit. To me not all revenue models are appropriate for all games. There’s not one right answer.[/details]

Thanks for that man. I actually agree with pretty much everything you said. It’s kind of a slippery slope with this issue. And I agree small payments would be easier for this demographic. I would just prefer it differently… Like the online pass several games are now requiring you to buy. I realize my last post was probably pretty aggressive, and I apologize if I offended you at all, I was just frustrated at that point. It’s nice to see your side of the argument in full light though, and it makes a lot more sense now than it did before.

That DLC Quest game looks awesome. Would buy it now if I wasn’t completely broke. And I agree I too would rather play fighting games, it’s just that there are other ways they can achieve this goal without locking away what I would consider core content of our game. I’m mainly pissed that they locked characters, costumes… Eh… I still dislike the practice, but at least it’s only an aesthetic piece, and not an actual playable part of the game. I know it’s not just fighting games that do this, so honestly getting up in arms is kinda silly… But if you think about it, locking away a fighting game character is a lot more of an impact than other day 1 DLC can be. It also pisses me off that they already have them done, but we have to wait probably months before they release them gradually, rather than just coming out with them all at once. It’s just silly to me.

I would love to brainstorm and try to come up with new ways they can achieve this goal with fighting games, it’s a lot harder when there isn’t much you can charge people for without it seeming ridiculous. But characters are going too far to me. Especially such a large amount of them that were probably intended to be released with the game until they struck the Vita deal. So who knows what happened exactly, but I don’t appreciate Capcom’s way they’ve gone about it. If they were just honest to us, I’d be a lot more inclined to care about their side of it… But they’re just straight out lying and coming up with excuses for reasons the characters are on disc, and how they can’t get 2v2 online to work on Xbox. I might believe them… if other fighters haven’t already handled those issues themselves…

Anyways man, sorry if I came across like an asshole in my earlier arguments, I just felt like you weren’t listening to what I was trying to say. Thanks for the explanation though, it’s definitely something to think about.

DP has to hit two times then Drive Cancel into the kick, you also have to time the second part of the kick in order for the next part of it to work right… (Assuming it’s wanting you to do what I think it is, I’d have to double check, but try that)

Storyteller · March 17, 2012, 10:47pm

We need to instate a new rule “You cannot give fighting game advice until you participate in at least 3 fighting game tournaments” because someone telling me that Cammy beats Balrog for free tickles me in a way that no man should ever be tickled

Trippfan · March 17, 2012, 10:52pm

I also mod but I live in East Tennessee.

What game are they talking about?

ShawnMcCool · March 17, 2012, 11:09pm

I want to hear more.

Storyteller · March 17, 2012, 11:27pm

Well that was just an example from way back when someone said it, this time someone said that Guile is garbage in SFxT and that he can’t beat anyone, I was cracking up. How can Guile be garbage when he can keep most of the cast out?