I think in general stages probably don’t affect matchups more than +0.5, or +1 in extreme cases. Also, I think they affect a character’s bad matchups a lot more positively than their good ones, i.e. in a 6-4 matchup I could see it becoming 5-5 with a good stage for the underdog, but on a bad stage it’s probably unlikely to become 7-3.
Like say, Superman vs Bane? Yea, I can see that… How about this(generally speaking, in favor of the character on the left):
Power vs Power 0/+1
Power vs Gadget +1/+2
Power vs Acrobat +2/+3
Gadget vs Gadget 0/+1
Gadget vs Acrobat +1/+2
Acrobat vs Acrobat 0/+1
2:8’s don’t exist in the game IMO. So far, I’ve seen nothing that’s as bad as some real 2:8’s (e.g. Twelve vs. Yun in 3rd Strike).
Grundy doesn’t have much trouble with zoning if your patient. He has what he needs to blow that shit up.
It affects the matchups in a small way. Players who use powers characters tend to Arkham Asylum, Themyscira Temple and Metropolis rooftop. Atlantis, Gotham City Alley and Watchtower favors gadget/acrobat characters more.
so i think harley might actually be the worst character in the game
she loses to everyone not mentioned 7-3
catwoman, ares, grundy, and shazam beat her 6-4
bane, lobo, lex, and joker go even with her
i’m still looking at stuff but i really don’t see her having a favorable match-up
She beats Hawkgirl at the least.
But the thing is that while she might not have that many favorable matchups, she has very few horrid ones. She can fight well enough against a majority of the cast.
hmmmm…maybe
few horrid ones? she basically gets butt-sexed by GL, supes, aqua, batman, frost, doomsday, wonderwoman, etc.
she only needs a few tweaks to make her viable (making TS~1 an overhead and making her jumping hurtbox smaller)
While TS 1 should be an OH…it wouldn’t do much to change her viability. Really, neither would do ANYTHING. Her bad matchups would still be just as bad.
Again, this game is matchup based. You’re only as good as your matchups. You can give Harley all the buffs you want, but if they don’t help against an Aquaman or Supes, she’s still no better.
making TS~1 an overhead also buffs her TS~2, giving her a legit 50/50 mix-up from close to half-screen
it would definitely buff her a lot, her problem is opening up people, still fucked against aquaman though
It wouldn’t buff her that much if at all. People will take the low option almost all day, and if the low is blocked once, you’re dead.
But if you believe it does, tell me how it changes the Supes or GL matchups?
well…it…fuck
she’s still fucked
make her cupcake bombs have much quicker start-up? idk
she’s fucked… sadness
No, see, you’re on to something with Cupcake Bombs. Faster startup means it functions better as an anti-air.
A faster f2 means she gets to do more once inside.
No malfunction on Pop Pop means it’s more reliable to get in with.
about pop-pop…i have never gotten Pop pop to miss fire, i literally spammed it in training mode (like 50 times) and never got it to malfunction once
i must be the best pop pop user ever cause i’m like 8329048320 in a row anyways
so i think this literally might be the harley match-up chart (as it saddens me)
3-7 to everyone who is not listed
4-6 to ares, green arrow, shazam, flash, catwoman, grundy
5-5 to bane, lex, joker, hawkgirl, lobo, batgirl
hell, her offense is so bad she can’t even approach herself
You make it sound that Harley Quinn sucks so bad. I mean really, you make it seem that she can do absolutely nothing compared to everyone.
please tell me a match-up she actually wins cause i see none
her bnb does good damage but unless you get the full thing, her damage is actually pretty low
she can’t zone anyone with a projectile that isn’t hawkgirl
her mix-up is terrible (she has the worst high-low in the game)
her zoning sucks mostly because projectiles can’t clash in this game (i think having that would make this game a lot better)
she wants to be a footsie oriented character in a game that is a giant fuck you to footsies
she does really poor against all the good characters
entirely useless trait (worst in the game)
poor movement outside of SS
what does she do that’s actually good?
she’s got a really nasty set-up in the corner that is practically unblockable (a combo that ends in 112 xx SS creates a really ambiguous cross-up)
she stops jumping pretty well
bnb damage is great
best b3 in the game
armored f3 is the best interactable punish in the game
highest unclashable damage in the game (b3, f23, super, f23)
really good air-to-air
one of the best (if not the best) wake-up moves in the game
half-screen low
she has good things but she’s like the balanced character in a game of broken characters
Isn’t it kinda a good things since she won’t be nerfed as hard? I admit it’s hard to get in on zoning characters but I just use every chance I have to get in and I like how her play style is. I use a rush-down style so I learned that enders like 112 or b121 (something like that) works to let me in for another mix-up. All you need to know is what the high tiers can do and try to find something to counteract.
112 xx SS is really good
she’s already been nerfed twice (2d3 went from being +10 on block to 0 on block and TS~1 went from -6 to -7 on block)
and basically, i’m trying to be convinced that harley beats GL because her horizontal gunshot shuts him down…still not seeing it
Well hopefully that make 2d3 back to normal. There are tons of things to be nerfed besides her, like all the other top tiers.
lol? Trying to seriously come up with matchup charts for a game that’s not even half a year old, is still being updated with at least every DLC character that comes out and doesn’t have the full roster? There’s a reason Brady is just making lists right now, it’s because while it’s pretty easily apparent which characters are overall the strongest, matchups are extremely important in this game. Don’t tell me there’s solid numbers out there for Joker v Harley or Hawkgirl v Lobo. Right now a list on which characters are currently overall stronger is easier to make and more accurate than people pulling numbers out of their asses based on their exp from online matches or just dumping a bunch of 5/5s because nobody worth anything has any truly adequate exp in the matchups. A half-assed chart is worth far less than a competent, unbiased list especially this early in the game’s life.
What match ups so you guys feel are most difficult for Doomsday, Hawk girl, Grundy, Bat girl, Scorpion?