The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ

Cool, no prob.

Off topic, but I’m really curious how 48fps is gonna pan out; how it’ll “feel” and how the display manufacturers will handle it. I tend to prefer the usual 24fps that movies are shot in, so it feels really weird when the interpolation/smoothing stuff makes it look more like 60fps material. But 24fps has its drawbacks, like jerky pan shots and a limited ability to capture horizontal movement in general. Peter Jackson is filming The Hobbit for screening at 48fps, so we’ll get to find out in about a year.

Yeah, I also prefer the 24fps movies are shot in. I saw Inception in the “60fps” range on friends Samsung 46 inch HDTV with 120hz and I thought it looked downright awful. The movie just looked like it was sped up…

Guess we’ll find out if 48fps is bearable to watch when the The Hobbit releases.

Do any of you guys have a monitor or TV where it feels extremely laggy on one system but not the other? I have a Vizio E370VL, on my Xbox 360 it feels very playable. Probably a little laggy, but not noticeable enough to make me want to smash anything. On PS3 it’s down right horrid. I was raging a lot during my first experiences. I kept thinking it was internet lag because I first used this TV with my Xbox and it felt fine. But even when I did training mode I could visually see the delay from my inputs to the moves coming out on screen. I even had trouble doing certain cancels that didn’t have much timing leniency.

Just wondering, why is this the case where it’s fine on one but fucking terrible on the other?

Hey, not sure if I can help you but I’ll do the best I can. How are your systems connected to the monitor or TV? HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite? That could be the reason why.

Anyway, to the thread: I scooped around the net looking up info about digital signage monitors, the type of monitor the TC has. To sum up what I found, it’s a Sony Digital Signage monitor with only one digital connection (it’s not HDMI actually), so in theory, it should have very little input lag. It’s a shame that digital signage monitors don’t have enough tests for ms of lag other than the TC’s viewsonic model. I can see why though, these monitors are expensive as hell!! I guess the only reason one would get such an expensive monitor is for a living room sized display (40 inches or more) with very little input lag.

Xbox 360 can output 1080p, even for 720p games like SF4; it has a fast onboard scaler. The PS3 does not upscale 720p games to 1080p. Even if you have 1080p set as your monitor resolution, it will switch to 720p output for 720p games.

Since your E370VL’s native resolution is 1920x1080, it has to do the upscaling of the 720p signal. This often causes lag.

I’m using HDMI

I guess that explains it then.Thanks for the reply.

Man this is confusing.

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I can connect my PS3 into a monitor and get 1080p resolution using a Mayflash PS3 to VGA connector
I can’t connect my PS3 into the TV and get anything better than 640x480 resolution. My TV says “Unsupported Video Signal” for the others[/INDENT]
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Anyone else experienced anything like this with the Mayflash PS3 to VGA connector and have any suggestions or workarounds?

I’m looking for a 22-24 inch tv or monitor with little to no input lag. It needs to have HDMI and component (and maybe composite) hookups. I have about about $270 to spend. Absolutely any help would be appreciated.

Asus VH236H - http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VH236H-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B002453K5G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326602783&sr=8-1
THE standard gaming monitor. Has HDMI, very low lag, the best monitor for the price around.

Thanks, but it doesn’t have any component or composite inputs. I need something with at least component.

Sorry I misread. Why would you need Component/Composite AND HDMI?

I have a PS3, Xbox 360, Playstation 2, Wii, and Dreamcast I want to be able to hookup. My room is the size of a closet so the TV can’t be bigger than 24 inches. After doing numerous google searches, it would seem that monitors with component/composite are much less common so I guess I need a low input lag TV.

I’m pretty sure you can get adapters. If your budget is $270, you can probably get the VH236H + a composite/component adapter for that price range. It’d be better for fighting games than a laggier TV imo.

Hmmm, maybe. Wouldn’t the adapter introduce lag too? Does that monitor have any lag when scaling?

Well an HDTV is almost guaranteed to lag more than an HD Monitor (at least from what I understand). The lag on the VH236H is negligible (1/2 frame; pretty low compared to anything else HD out there) and I imagine the monitor has lag when scaling, but I’m no expert on that.

Pretty much here’s what it comes down to: If you get an adapter, you get lagless play when you play on 360/PS3 and “modern” fighting games but laggy play with older games (unless you get something like the HD Fury which I THINK is an upconverter that’s supposed to be lagless). If you get an HDTV, unless you get one with especially low lag, you’re looking at playing EVERYTHING with lag.

So are digital signs ala the OP still a valid thing? Cuz I’d like to get one as my next TV when I’m rich enough to stop eating KD.

There’s an LG on sale at best buy. Anyone heard anything about it?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+22"+Class+/+LED+/+720p+/+60Hz+/+HDTV/2436379.p?id=1218328201314&skuId=2436379&AID=10597222&PID=1312731&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FLG%2B-%2B22%22%2BClass%2B%2F%2BLED%2B%2F%2B720p%2B%2F%2B60Hz%2B%2F%2BHDTV%2F2436379.p%3Fid%3D1218328201314%26skuId%3D2436379&ref=39&CJPID=1312731&loc=01

They’re probably the class of large displays least likely to lag, but you’d still have to test out each model to be sure.

I went to my local Micro Center today to search for a new optical mouse… My old one was dying and just giving me fits with freezing.

Anyhow, after the mouse search – ended up getting a wired red iHome mouse --, I looked into gaming TVs/monitors since I knew from last year that Micro Center carried both Asus and Acer brands.

I was directed to the far right corner where the monitors were. This past season’s Asus was the VH237H. Don’t know what the difference between this one and the VH236H would be… I think they’re basically the same. Big difference to me is that IF I can afford it in the future, I can buy the VH237H in-store and avoid paying shipping for the VH236H (available online for under $200, but still pay S & H) and avoid the risk of breakage in shipping for a flat screen device otherwise I’d buy the VH236H online.

In 2010, you could get a VH236H (or whatever Asus Micro Center sold) for $269. This year, the VH237H LED (23.6") is being sold for $199 and it has built-in stereo sound. Contrast ratio is 10,000,000:1.

I’m seriously leaning towards getting the Asus (which looks very nice in-person) for both gaming (it has DVI, HMDI, and VGA) and an eventual desktop computer upgrade (which is badly needed!).

Will EVO2k12 still be using the ASUS VH236H? I thought I read somewhere that they announced a new monitor.