Refresh rate IS NOT THE SAME AS response time!
yeah i metioned the input delay thing. maybe i should have added alittle more…
**We couldn’t tell you. What are the models exactly? Do you absolutely need an LED display?**
Fixed. And forget 120hz, 60hz or what have you.
Input lag tests still remain key. It is not an advertised specification and there are no correlations to response time or refresh rate.
Essentially lagless (<8ms input lag, not response time) displays are preferable. Screens with 1-frame (16ms) are not great but passable for bigger screens (32’ and beyond) because of the lack of lagless large HDTVs.
The Monitor I’m looking at is a 27" ViewSonic LED-LCD - VX2753mh-LED
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/vx2753mh-led.htm
ViewSonic also have another LED-LCD w/** 3ms(typ) instead of (gtg)** “VG2732m-LED” - what does typ mean? is it better than gtg? I’m confuse on this part.
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/vg2732m-led.htm
I want LED mainly becuase I heard it has better contrast & LOW Power Consumption, which is a must.
Contrast is still up to the panel. LED is simply the backlighting technology. You have individual LED’s rather than one huge lamp (in LCDs).
Power consumption is lower, you’re right on that.
Both models that you have mentioned have not had anyone test for lag yet. So there is no way anyone can tell you how they fare.
So your choices still remain with the recommended EVO 09 or 10 monitors or…
You could help by running lag tests with a DVI or VGA splitter and a CRT screen. If you purchase from a place with a good return policy this may be a suitable way to test your screen and then send it back if it does not meet your expectations.
As far as a fighting game player is concerned none of the below means anything because response time =/= input lag and the two have no correlation whatsoever.
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‘typ’ is an abbreviation for typical. ‘gtg’ means grey-to-grey. In terms of response time, they measure two different things.
Typical measures ‘black-white-black’ response time; the time for a pixel to change through this sequence.
Grey-to-grey measures transitions along a spectrum of greys; again the time for a pixel to change through this. These are usually lower than the ‘typical stat’.
The standard of gtg measures is also ill-defined, and hence isn’t that useful other than for manufacturers to boast about their panel.
You cannot compare these between themselves too; a typical response should only be compared to another typical response; likewise a gtg should only be compared likewise to another gtg.[/details]
Lots of reports from the U3 line from Panasonic, what about the E3 (or D3)? While the price is higher (I’m looking at the 37"), if the input lag is the same, I’d prefer to go with LED back lighting instead.
I was regularly playing games on a big screen panasonic viera th50px80 U and it seemed perfect for everything I tried, including psx and ps3. Didn’t have any means of testing it perfectly but I am pretty sensitive to any amount of lag and 3 other fighting gamers also believed it to be lagless.
Well, shit. I’ve been looking at my 27" options for quite some time and am somewhat stuck committing myself to one screen in particular. I have narrowed my choices down to:
1.) Asus VE278Q (LED, lag reviews favourably though I cannot find any solid timing figures)
2.) Viewsonic VX2739wm (LCD, lag measured at 9.4ms)
3.) LG W2753VC-PF (The monitors used for the original Gods Garden tournament in Japan. No lag figures either though reviews have all been positive with respect to lag)
I’m curious if any of you guys have had hands on experience on one or more of these and what your opinion is. I used the VE278Q on the weekend and it seemed pretty decent (I currently use BenQ E2400 HDs) though I am curious as to how others felt about these screens. They are the three top models that I have been able to uncover in the 27" range with respect to input lag although the LG is actually almost $100 cheaper.
I am leaning towards the Asus VE278Q right now though I am always up for considering other people’s opinions, particularly those of input lag picky SF players.
Hey Gamogo 
I ended up with the the M2700HD. I played on the E2400 and the the M2700 straight after each other and couldn’t “feel” the difference. Ran the stopwatch test and got a range from 10ms to 20ms on srgb mode. Around 1 frame? Which looks about the same as the Asus.
I got it for $365 from JB. Also scorpiotect (or something like that) has the VE276Q for $360 - 1 left!
Please enlighten me. I long to know the names of these once-thought-fabled displays that you casually refer to as merely “passable.”
I have the same question. What 32" TVs have 1 frame of lag or close to that?
The thing is I’m am getting a 32" TV no matter what so I need to know which are the best. I already know about this elusive X1 that no one can get their hands on, but besides that what else is there?
Please see this thread, and keep up with it. The first page has quite a few large TVs with passable lag.
Yea I’ve actually followed that thread for a while but I find nothing too conclusive. Frankly the first post seems outdated, many of the TVs that were shown to be good are older models and kinda hard to find. Within the thread itself I get a lot of “this TV feels lagless but I didn’t test it” and tests that have been shown for what I’m looking for usually turn out bad. I’ve been searching for a while and it does get to be much. I mean reading endlessly and constantly running into the same old thing.
Are there any known 32" TVs that have been tested to only have close to 1 frame of lag? TVs that are still around.
After reading through some of this thread, and this one:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464&page=62
It seems that Panasonic and Sharp (Game Mode) LCD HDTVs are usually the lowest lag models on the market. I’m mostly going to use it to connect a Dreamcast (using VGA box) to play MvC2, although every now and then I will play Xbox 360 games on it via HDMI. I have read on the above thread that using the VGA box for Dreamcast is typically a wise choice since it will have low lag when connecting that way instead of HDMI.
I’d be greatly appreciate if one of the experts on this subject would recommend 3-5 of the lowest lag HDTVs in the range of $900 - $1,300 and anywhere between 40" - 55". I would even spend slightly more than $1,300 provided that the HDTV is super low lag.
Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to help.
outdated info, removed
hey man just a heads up that you can get the lg monitor from newegg now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005161 . i thought this monitor was discontinued but apparantly lg just took the w2753v and then added the c and made it so its only availible to buisnesses since its listed in their 2011 catalog http://www.lgsolutions.com/products/lcd-monitors/desktop-monitors . that is kinda strange they would do something like that but im glad this great monitor is still in production
played on my friends sharp 42 inch and this thing is lagless!
i will definetly run a test on that.
Eh when it comes to LED they way it’s done right now in computer monitors (edge lighting) is awful. The power consumption is negligible, and they have terrible color uniformity.
Great FAQ, I noticed in the description of my first HDTV (Toshiba 24SL410U) that it had response time of 5ms. I was always curious of how it would effect my games. So thanks for the heads up!