2761

Thanks for the feedback guys. I decided to buy the panny 32" x1. I dont want to have any excuse when doing strict frame combos, and I for sure plan to go tournaments later. In the tests performed the x1 even surpasses the famous asus evo monitor, so this is the best option “for competitive gaming”. Maybe later when I have more money I could buy a bigger set with more resolution and enjoy it for movies and games that dont get affected with lag at all ( or that dont care ).

2762

Just something to note. The Panasonic has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, which is not the same as 720p (1280x720). You should try to output the Panasonic’s native resolution whenever possible.

2763

I’ve been gone for awhile…I see’s alot of misinformation…anyways…

The Panasonic x1 is a television!!..like all 720p TVs…not a monitor!! Even though it have a native resolution of 1366 x 768, you won’t be able to set the xbox to 1366 x 768, you will only be able to choose 480p, 720p & 1080i.

Also, on my testing using a vewlix cab, Im able to change resolution cause it has a monitor not a TV! having it set to 1366 x 768 or 720p Doesn’t effect input lag at all!!

also I had both 32hl20(ips) & 32ltx1 …input lag are like identical, picture quality wise its really hard to tell which one is better, all preference.

2764

I’ve got a Kodak Zi8 capable of 720p60 that I tried to use to measure how much lag my TVs have. I framed my stick with the television in the background, selected Ryu, and hit jab a few times. I opened the video in media player classic and used the arrow keys (left/right) to go frame by frame over the animation.

Is this a fairly accurate way to judge lag?

I was pretty disappointed by what I found, but maybe I’m just doing it wrong. My Panasonic TH50PH9UK (hdmi) had 6-7 frames between button press and jab animation… my Sony VAIO Laptop (pc sf4) had 3-4, and old Sony WEGA 32" CRT (component) had 3-4. I thought CRTs weren’t supposed to have any lag? It’s too old to have a game mode, so I don’t think I can tweak anything.

Here are the videos if someone who knows better wouldn’t mind checking them:
http://78.158.93.75/116_0324--panasonic.MOV
http://78.158.93.75/116_0325--sony_vaio.MOV
http://78.158.93.75/116_0333--sony_wega.MOV

TIA!

2765

Sorry for the bump, but is the Asus the standard for now?

2766

Could you just tell me straight up: Which TV does it all with little to no input lag?
By all I mean can handle consoles from every era.

2767

This revolving door of the same questions has been going on way too long. We need a new thread badly.

2768

I’ll be buying either a 37 or or 40 inch tv to replace my Sony Bravia 40w4100 (yes I’m not one of the boobs who doesn’t realize that these tvs lags rather badly), or I’ll just keep the Bravia and get an ASUS monitor (probably the 25.5 inch one) within the next two weeks. So, I hope by that point, there will either be a thread with all of the decent TVs listed, or something close.

I’ve been reading this post for literally 4 hours, and it has helped for the most part, although on the part of there being a certain TV that I’d pick, I’m still at lost, because I want a 37 or 40 inch TV and I haven’t seen too many of those.

2769

Curious about this as well.

My main LCDTV is great for movies, but has pretty bad lag for gaming.

Definitely want to get a VH236H for Casuals/Practice in the near future.

2770

The creator of this thread should edit and actualize his first post with a link to the EXTREMELY GODLIKE USEFUL thread in avsforum.com “Input lag wars”.
I will do it for all of you:
INPUT LAG WARS

Google it! :slight_smile:

2771

I’ve been reading through both this thread and the one on AVSforum for the past 2 weeks and would say this thread has better information even it’s a little more difficult to find. All of us in here are testing for input lag and how it affects SF4 and other fighting games. There’s really no genre of game that is affected more by input lag than fighting games.

The guys over at AVS are just estimating input lag using stop watch tests or RB2 tests which may not be the same as when actually playing fighting games. Over here we have guys like shinshoryuken and others testing lag down to the frame by using 60FPS cameras and SF4 frame data.

The one big thing that I got from reading the AVSforum was to stay away from particular HDTVs due to both obscene input lag or terrible PQ. However, they have no info on which HDTV has the best PQ and lowest input lag, but I don’t blame them because it probably doesn’t exist in an affordable price range.

2772

They disappeared for a good while, but it looks like some BenQ E2400HD displays are back on the market.

http://www.google.com/products?q=benq+e2400hd

These are legit sub-1-frame lag 24" 1080p LCD monitors; search elsewhere in the thread for others who vouch for these.

Some offsite lag tests:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2659/8

2773

Tokido is streaming from http://ustream.tv/godsgarden right now and according to his stream he’s using the LG FLATRON W2363V. I don’t have any test results but if it’s good enough for Tokido, it’s probably good enough.

2774

The prad.de lag test from a couple weeks ago shows a mean latency of 20ms. So usually at least 1 frame latent. This is in line with the test done earlier in this thread, though that was done with a 30fps camera. It also showed minimum 1 frame latency I believe.

2775

There is no one monitor/TV to rule them all…especially in your case where you want both SD and HD.

Legit monitor!

I actually have a benq e2400hd and panasonic L32x1 for sale on the trading forum for a good price.

both excellent in terms of input lag.

2776

So earlier today I went to an American Electronics store in my neighborhood to do the laptop test. I know there’s nothing proficient about this test, but I’m on my laptop so often, that I’m sure that I can tell when and how much later objects move in a laggy situation. So let it be known that this isn’t about some timer test (a test that I’ve developed mad respect for in watching all of you guys perform it in the very many months contained in this post), but just an eye-feel thing.

So I went to American with my laptop and hdmi cable (it’s a Monster cable, but it was given to me. I didn’t pay anything for it) to plug it into sets to see if I could feel the lag on some sets. And, of course, the lag was pretty bad, and very noticeable on most sets. But there was one TV, a Sharp Aquos (model 46LE810UN) that felt completely flawless in ‘Game Mode’, and thought to suggest this to someone who could afford a good looking, LED LCD TV so it could be tested as the rest. I won’t say that it didn’t lag at all, I’m not that naive. I’m just saying that it was hardly noticeable when manuevering the mouse and keybaord of the laptop when it was projected onto the TV screen.

So, I hope this turns out to be helpful. Otherwise, I’m sorry for possibly wasting anyone’s time. But, if someone happens to get this TV, or happens to want it, the info could be there after it gets tested. Thanks guys

2777

Here’s a post from AVS about that particular model. I don’t trust the stopwatch test, but even so… 30ms with non-native input for a 52 inch sounds pretty good.

2778

Sorry to break it down to ya like this but 30ms is pretty shit, that’s a 2 frame delay right there. GL doing links with that amount of delay.

You can always pick up a cheap Hanspree monitor like I did and play via VGA, picture quality is not that far behind HDMI but it has virtually no input lag.

2779

Well it’s 30ms with a non-native input, meaning on a native input, the lag would be less.

2780
  • 30ms may not be the most desirable video processing time, but you’re not going to find many TV’s in the >32" size range that will be much better.