The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ

[specs]

A question:

My new LC52E77U is great, but I’m having a minor issue. My PS3 connects with HDMI and looks MARVELOUS. Crisp, clear, not blurry. My 360 connects with HDMI and my Wii with component, and both are noticeably less crisp and blurry. I messed with the 360’s Display settings but no combination addresses it, and the Wii has no such settings AFAIK. Someone told me that I may have to use different settings for the 360 and the Wii (and the TV saves settings on a per-input basis, which is great). What settings would I tweak?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Dr. B only lags when it benefits him, often to confuse Dr. B only lags when it benefits him.

Anyone? Advice would be hella appreciated.

Dr. B LOVES YOU OMG HE’S A SKRULL…

[Mazinkaiser]

If you can still find one, a Panasonic L32S1 (1080p) or L32X1 (720p) is your best bet.

wich is better? i found the european version of both, both lagless or the full hd one 1080p produced 1 frame lag?

edit:

i see some reply while back in the thread, ok i’ll buy the L32X1

[lynch03]

If I play Sf4 on a CRT HDTV that only displays 480p/1080i will I get input lag? Just wondering since the game was apparently made for 720p…

[Sodaboy581]

t…I’ve installed the latest graphic card drivers, hit the SF 4 up, and there is no more lag, like it used to be. But, two new problems occured. Colors were too vivid (way more vivid than on xp windows). And other problem is that now, during the matches, sometimes we get a line breaking the screen, mostly on jumps, it lasts for a second, and it looks like a frame broke and splitted the image in two, with 1 mm displacement. It’s pretty strange. Any ideas what would that be? How to solve it?

I know EXACTLY what your first problem is. It has to do with the default “Digital Vibrance” setting in the latest Nvidia drivers for Windows.

Go to the Nvidia Control Panel by right clicking your desktop and selecting it. One of the tabs on the left, I forget which, will have a setting for Digital Vibrance. It’ll be somewhere in the color section. Slide that value to “50” (which should be the setting for NO Digital Vibrance, as 0 will make everything B&W and 100 will be extremely over saturated…)

[Sodaboy581]

So are there any tvs over 46 inches that have little or no lag?

The Sharp E77 and E67 series are supposed to be decent.

Check here http://sites.google.com/site/sharpe77ulag/#COMP_page-attachments

His test is kind of weird, though. He does test 480i and 1080p, but his 1080p test is from a PC inputting 1680x1050.

It’s also awkward that in order to get his lag down, in addition to using Game mode, he had to turn Active Contrast on. shrug

But the E77 comes in 46", 52", 60", and 65" flavors.

[ssjbrydon]

Anyone got any info on the new C series samsungs? Like how are they comparable to the B series.

[wondras]

Anyone got any info on the new C series samsungs? Like how are they comparable to the B series.

Not much better so far…

32C450: BAD (3 frame lag and heavy motion blur)
55C7000: Questionable (possibly 2 frames for some sources and settings, up to 9 frames for others)

We need more data and more models to know for sure, though.

[P_m0n3_Y]

Any of you guys have purchased the VK266H Asus Monitor? I’m looking to replacing my asus vh236h for one of these. Gonna buy one of amazon cuz they got a great return policy. If anyone has info on this in the next couple days before i place my order…def post up your experience with this monitor. If not im gonna test it when it comes in.

[tokerblue]

I got a new Sharp LC40E67UN HDTV and decided to test it out.

Looks like it has 3 frames of lag

• That’s with Game mode on and feeding it a 1920x1080p source?

[lw3]

if you want to use a crt find a computer monitor. crt computer monitors have no lag at any resolution cause it doest have a native resolution.

[ssjbrydon]

I guess I’m gonna go ahead an get an asus for 200 and a either find a good deal on a B series 40 inch or get the new C630 @ 800 bucks. I’m still gonna come out around 1k spent which is what I was looking to do with buying 1 set but I’m glad sammy dropped their prices on the non-led tvs!

[lynch03]

if you want to use a crt find a computer monitor. crt computer monitors have no lag at any resolution cause it doest have a native resolution.

The problem is though u need to spend a lot of money for a converted afaik since more crt’s use vga.

I do have a vx922 I don’t use anymore but can’t find any info on input lag.

[JRockEclipse]

Does the evo asus monitor uses HDMI or other? would it cause a problem with input delay?

[P_m0n3_Y]

Does the evo asus monitor uses HDMI or other? would it cause a problem with input delay?

NO…its a matter on the panel, montior, tv etc is built. The post processing could be different in some other inputs on different devices…but as far as the asus vh236h…no.

[JRockEclipse]

NO…its a matter on the panel, montior, tv etc is built. The post processing could be different in some other inputs on different devices…but as far as the asus vh236h…no.

so what does it use vga?

[P_m0n3_Y]

Its a computer monitor for most. Just happens to be HD monitor which logically has HDMI support. I play with it on a 1000 series HDMI monster cable and it runs perfectly with very minimal lag.

[ssjbrydon]

so what does it use vga?

yo jrock i’m pretty sure the evo monitors are hooked up by hdmi and i’m pretty sure thats what we are running our ranbats on too.

[NewGen]

hey guys, i’v been reading on a lot of different sites etc on this top, including here.

I checked out cicada’s video of a panasonic tc l32x1 being nearly lag free or lag free, anyhow my question is “is it correct to assume that all panasonic lcds using ips panels have close to no lag? or models similar to the tc l32x1, like the tc l32s1, tc l32x2, tc l32c22 or tc l32u22?”

thanks in advance.

[wondras]

is it correct to assume that all panasonic lcds using ips panels have close to no lag? or models similar to the tc l32x1, like the tc l32s1, tc l32x2, tc l32c22 or tc l32u22?

Unfortunately, no. I haven’t seen tests of the X2 or C22 yet, but the U22 is definitely significantly slower than the X1 and S1.

[Cano2k]

I got here a scenario which I wish it gets analyzed.

We got input lag (time that it takes a TV to register and input)

We also have audio lag (which can be seen usually when you pass a signal through a receiver)

Ok, heres the thing. I have the 2 LCD’s that everyone seems to have tested

32LH30 and ASUS Evo monitor.

I had the LG 32LH 30 hooked up directly to my cable TV and using the TV speakers.

Apparently it didn;t have “audio delay” because TVS adjust the audio and “lag it” so it matches with the video.

As soon as I put on a receiver the audio was early and the picture was behind. I programmed the audio to come 30ms delay later when passed through the receiver and now the audio is in perfect sync with the lips of the people talking in the movie.

I know for a fact that the LG 32LH30 has around 30ms of input lag.

Here’s the thing. Is video lag, input lag and audio delay 3 different types of lag? Or is input lag = video lag.

Apparently when I put the audio 30ms behind it matches the picture which is VERY close to the 30-32 ms of input lag that the 32LH30 has which has been already tested OVER and OVER again.

Seriously, if theres like 3 different types of lag this is such of a major issue that gaming in general will always be fucked up unless you use a regular PC LCD like the asus and connect regular speakers to it. Gaming will probably not get better than that. Which is what I have right now.

All of this shit forced me to do one hell of a setup so I can have everything like I want it.

My setup

LCDS:

Asus VH236H (mounted on a wall above my TV with MONOPRICE wallmount)
LGL 32LH30

2x4 HDMI Matrix (monoprice)

I basically have my ps3 input into the matrix, then I take the signal out to my receiver that’s connected to my LCD and ASUS.

If its a movie of regular game like final fantasy I use the big TV. If it’s SF4, tekken, etc I use the ASUS.

AHH so much money spent to get it right!