Mantle
2601
I guess my rationale is this: online playing will help to a point, but if you are already at such a high level where 1 frame of lag makes a difference, then online playing is probably not going to be of much benefit. I find the game changes so much online because there is so much BS that works online that doesn’t work offline.
Yes, Panasonic LCDs are generally pretty good. Also, I went ahead and ordered a Panasonic 32" TC32S1, looking forward to using it.
Look, forget about how “elite” a fighter is(or how elite you are trying to claim he is bragging to be) when 1 frame makes a difference. Why do we play SF4? For fun, for competition, and to get better. How can I do these 3 things as best as possible? I need people to play against, I need the best possible people available to play against in the best possible conditions, and I need the closest thing to competition data as possible.
Whether you are the worst player in the world or the best player in the world, those three points are still true. So how can I get the most of all those things? Xbox 360 provides the most online players, but PS3 is exactly what EVO uses. So I was just asking how to mimic the ps3 speed of SF4 by manipulating the input lag of the LCD screen I choose to buy. Whether I am the worst SF4 player in the world or the best SF4 player in the world, everything I stated is still true. So it is, in the reality we live in, the best of both worlds.
Half-Ro
2604
I also have the monitor, just got it before reading this thread, :/. In scale 1:1 mode, it seems better then the override, and the 4:3 (who bought this monitor to play in a 5 x 5 box of anything anyways?) seemed the same as 1:1. I think the best bet is to start testing modes for ourselves. I am having a gathering this weekend and will borrow a friends lappy to clone with. I will give the results I get trying different settings.
specs
2605
Ridiculous question time:
I searched and I couldn’t find the answer to this question: what exactly is the “Evo Monitor?” Like what make/model?
Dr. B has 0ms response time allowing for maximum planet-busting B-punches.
Just so people know, Rock Band 2 has a self-calibration tool which measures response time. The Beatles: Rock Band also has that feature but both yield different numbers. I’ve found The Beatles calibration tool to be more accurate than the one in RB2.
I’m gaming on a 50" Panasonic Vierra G10 and have no real noticeable lag. The Beatles say that it’s 20 ms of video lag.
More factors that people need to consider is the type of input used (component/ HDMI) and the native resolution of the source when compared to the display. Two people playing on the same set can have different response times based on their setups.
Evo monitor = Asus VH236H
Reponse time has nothing to do with lag. Input lag is NOT ADVERTISED on the TV’s specs.
specs
2608
^ Many thanks!
EDIT - Though I want a digital signage-type commercial display now (thanks for all the cool info, poonage), a) it’s slightly outside my budget and b) I don’t have the freedom where I live to set it up (long story). I went with one of the Sharp Aquos E77U sets.
I have a question though: that set’s native resolution is 1080p. What happens when a 720p or, god forbid, a 480p Wii game is played on it? Is the Wii issue solved with a VGA cable, if there even is an issue?
Dr. B has negative lag/response time/etc. That means that he’s already stopped you. From doing what? We’ll never know.
arapozo
2609
For the first time in my life I’m going to buy a HDTV exclusively for playing games. I own both a 360 and a PS3. The 360 will be connected on the VGA and the PS3 on HDMI. I play a lot of SF4 (on PS3) but I also play other genres.
After reading and reading and reading about HDTV lag, seeing the capabilities of the sets available for purchase here in my country, I’m actually at a point where I can’t decide what to do. So I’m asking for help from someone that may have experience with any of this models to please give me some light as to what was your experience playing SF on that TV. My goal is a TV that wont have much lag but also that doesn’t look bad.
I’m considering this models:
Sharp - lc40e67u
Panasonic TC-P42u1
Panasonic TC-l42u12
I’ve made some research about them and I’ve seen on this thread that the sharp TV could have the less lag out of the 3, but seeing reviews online has me thinking because they give it poor motion performance and in games there’s always things moving. And the panasonic models don’t have game mode, go figure. The only panasonic TV on the store that has game mode is TC-P42X1, but it’s 720p, I wanted something that would last me a couple of years.
Regretfully, I’m not on the US, so any of these TVs will cost me around US$1,000 to US$1,200 so you can tell I can’t just try and see if it works.
Please help me.
Well, in light of all the helpful responses I got with everyone jumping in at once and all I decided to try out the alienware optx aw2210 monitor and boy what a difference. The 4:3 AR connected through HDMI is lag free on the PS3, however the image centers itself on the screen and leaves black gaps on the sides of the screen. I’m thinking of keeping it for the heck of it, looks nice as heaven, but wish the image would cover the whole screen without losing the lag-less performance I see on the 4:3 AR, when I go to full I can feel the lag. Would be nice to play on the big screen though. HDFury experiences? Can I try it out and return it if I don’t like?
HDTV native resolution = 1080p
Video game native resolution = 720p
Should I set the Xbox 360’s output to 720p or 1080p? Will 720p upscaled to 1080p cause lag??
Hmm, I don’t get it, does that mean that I wouldn’t be able to hook my old PC to it?
That’d suck.
Does this thing only have HDMI ports?
So uhm, sorry to bother ya’ll once again with seemingly stupid questions but I’ve been looking for a new monitor for quite some time now and I’m currently torn between two options and thus, in dire need of advices.
After reading through this thread I was going to pick up an Alienware OptX 21.5" seeing as it’s been proved to be on par with CRT’s as far as refresh “lag” goes, however it has now come to my knowledge that it lacks a classic VGA port.
The thing is, I am a “competitive” [media=youtube]2TOmgrn9RPA"[/media] player, a game that I generally run through emulator (WinUAE+Kaillera) on my rather old PC which lacks HDMI ports (even though it might have a DVI port, not sure though, how do I find out if it’s input or output)…so I wouldn’t know whether I’d be able to hook it to the Alienware display or not til the monitor gets shipped here…and I’d rather not waste 350 Euro in the process.
In light of the above considerations I decided to go for the high-end CRT (for SWOS) + normal LCD (for PS3 and stuff) combo instead, too bad that (aside from the fact that I don’t know jack shit about CRT monitors, so I wouldn’t be able to tell a good one from a mediocre one as of now) they are nowhere to be found around here…
so uhm, for the actual questions:
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Is there a way to hook up my old PC to the Alienware OptX without adding further lag (adapters, etc.)?
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Assuming that my PC actually has a DVI port (how can I find out btw), is connecting via DVI going to be as lagless as if I was relying on an HDMI cable? I’m asking this cause some dude on an italian message board said that he’s experienced occasional slow-down in games through DVI (which would kinda defeat the purpose of going out of my way to purchase a seemingly “lagless” LCD monitor, wouldn’t it)…
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What are the best CRT monitors (I’d rather buy a new one if there’s a company that still produces them, pretty sure Sony doesn’t anymore, alternatively just tell me which characteristics I should pay attention to while looking for a used one)?
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Does the Asus “EVO” monitor have a VGA port?
Thanks in advance for your help and I apologize for the broken engRish.
I believe it’s been shown that the 360’s scaler is pretty darn quick, so using it to scale is probably your best option.
Mantle
2615
For your purposes, DVI and HDMI are the same thing. Just get an adapter. Do some research online for what a DVI port looks like and look for it on the back of your computer.
Alright, this is the port I have on the back of my old PC (which AFAIK should be a DVI):
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8039/dvi.jpg
So, does this mean that I’ll be able to connect my PC to the monitor either via DVI (the “tech specs” sheet of the monitor states that it’s got a 1x DVI and 2x HDMI ports) or HDMI (through a DVI > HDMI adapter perhaps, hopefully without adding further lag)?
I’m sorry for being such a noob lol;; and thanks a bunch for your help.
I don’t know much about HDTVs and the tech terms, so I’m assuming that you say I should set the 360 to 720p???
How about PS3??
DVI and HDMI carry the same exact video information. The only real difference is the connector itself and the fact that HDMI also carries audio. If your TV/monitor has a DVI input, you just need a DVI cable. If it has HDMI, then you need a DVI/HDMI cable. There is no difference in lag between the two.
What is the exact make/model of your TV? If it truly is a native 1080p set, then you would want to set the Xbox’s video output to 1080p. You’re not going to have the same choices for the PS3. You’ll have to enable all resolutions and let the PS3 decide what to output. In 99% of the cases, it will output the game’s native resolution (usually 720p) since it doesn’t have an internal scaler.
specs
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A question:
My new LC52E77U is great, but I’m having a minor issue. My PS3 connects with HDMI and looks MARVELOUS. Crisp, clear, not blurry. My 360 connects with HDMI and my Wii with component, and both are noticeably less crisp and blurry. I messed with the 360’s Display settings but no combination addresses it, and the Wii has no such settings AFAIK. Someone told me that I may have to use different settings for the 360 and the Wii (and the TV saves settings on a per-input basis, which is great). What settings would I tweak?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Dr. B only lags when it benefits him, often to confuse Dr. B only lags when it benefits him.
