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Brawl is a casual game. It is the kind of game you play when you and 3 friends are just looking to kill time and screw around.

If you want to play Smash competitively Melee is the way to go.

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Heads from SWF is just so fucking sad though.

They knew the game was ass from day 1 but they tried so hard to make it competitive. Shit me too. Despite all the bullshit and the nonsense I really wanted to like Brawl.

But once you see how stupid the game is…it’s just…hard to not hate it.

And the community has just become a joke since Brawl’s release. TO’s trying to find ways to make the game more fun to play and more exciting which is impossible because the game fights you on this.

The game denies any effort to make it more enjoyable on a competitive level simply because the designers did all that was in their power to ensure that the game couldn’t be enjoyable when played competitively.

They succeeded IMO.

It’s boring, with imbalanced within the game engine itself not just character match-ups and their are obvious programming oversights like silly one button wall infinites that take zero skill to do as well as hitboxes that extend well beyond the actual attack animation of the character on several characters. Snake is the biggest offender.

Worst part is you got morons thinking that they have bragging rights because they place well in this shitty game.

I’m just like…are you fucking serious?

I just got sick of it. I was in the SBR as well as a part of some other groups and recognized as a solid player and a leader of the Marth community.

But eventually I just said to myself…ya know, I really don’t have to play this horrible game. So I revoked my positions and stopped posting. Traded in my wii for SFIV and some cash.

GREATEST DAY OF MY FUCKING LIFE.

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Yea I remember your farewell post.

I was also a Marth main so I regulared the board, but I just don’t get the same kick playing it at tournaments. I can only hope that if they come out with another version they don’t make the same mistakes and make it more in the style of Melee. That was a game that casual and hardcore players alike could get into.

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I was referring more to the asshats in my own state with gigantic egos. Someone should humble them.

I never endeavored to place in Brawl nor did I care too. So try not to be so presumptuous.

Why would I want to go to tournies consistently for this horrid game?

Also SFIV is a joke compared to 3S? Have you even played 3s? The game has some serious issues like option select parry and is dominated by the unholy trinity Yun, Chun and Ken. 3S is a decent game, but to say it’s superior to SFIV is honestly a matter of preference. UInlike Brawl which has legetimate issues that cause pro players to acually say Brawl sucks. And how man yountless props stopped playing Smash all together? I know for a fact that Chillin and PC dropped Brawl for SFIV.

I don’t know of anyone who dropped SFIV for Brawl though.

Can you even imagine such a thing?

And please don’t dodge the truth. All you do is troll this site for anything anti smash so you can post about it. Do yourself a favor. Stop posting about smash here. It’s fucking ludicrous how you pop up everything someone bad mouths smash. Maybe with M<elee I could understand, but with Brawl it’s pathetic. You can’t pull the smae crap with me you pull wiht the rest. I was in SBR. I was privy to the private discussions of SWF’s best and brightest and saw what it became before I left.

People giving out SBR status essentially for free. And half decent player was made an SBR member even people like Inui, (one of those ass hats form my state BTW) who never had any really good input and based everything he thought on M2K’s pinion and always had (probably still does) M2K’s cock on his mouth.

Discussion was a joke essentially. And Several SBR members left as well or stopped posting nearly altogether. Hell Kish prime even made a thread detailing why Brawl was inferior as a competitive game and why it sucked.

So keep denying that Brawl is ass.

SRK opened my eyes. After about 4 months they all just stopped playing the game. The IRC channel simply died and people stopped posting. Why? Because if a game is ass or you have to force yourself to play then you probably have no business playing it.

Brawl sucks.

Now drag your carcass back to SWF so you can continue playing your crappy game. Maybe you can go reread that thread you made on SWF about how Brawl is just as good as Melee. Although anyone with a brain could tell it was sad attempt to re-invigorate the community since everyone knew Brawl was ass. Remember where you said that Melee’s techs and combos added nothing to the gameplay and did nothing to make the game good?

Yeah, shit was classic.

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I go to SFIV tournies.

Again with your presumptions.

I’m not getting emotional. You essentially tried (and failed horribly) to invalidate my opinion by saying that my words don’t matter because I didn’t place. That’s nonsense and you know it. I was one of the most influential figures in the Brawl/Marth community so you really can’t try to write me off so easily. So, yeah, not emotional just defending myself.

And wtf are you talking about?

3s and ST still have scenes and they are still popular.

You are right though. I don’t get your logic or the logic of the smash community in general. If a game is good you play it. You don’t move onto shitty games…because…well…they are shitty. Who gives a damn if they are new?

I mean wow…you aren’t even touching on any of what I’m saying about Brawl. Doesn’t it irk you? What the game did to the community? It seems like you are only playing it because it’s new. Anyway you haven’t even attempted to refute it. You are just trying to wave off my opinion. I guess it’s because you really can’t refute it.

As for me talking about games even though I don’t play them…what can I say?

I have a gift. I can analyze games with a high level of understanding. Not just Smash. Pretty much all games. It’s alot of fun and I’m good at it. It’s my talent. I mean are you going to say that my writings on SWF weren’t helpful or influential to the Marth community or the community at large? Of course it was. I was able to get into SBR through knowledge and analysis alone so clearly someone back there thought my work was worth something.

I didn’t need to go to shit ton of Brawl tournies to know that it would be the same shit again and again.

MK and Snake are on top and they will stay on top. IC’s might take third but other then that MK and Snake aren’t going anywhere. The entire metagame is based around how well characters do vs these two. Anyone who loses to both of these characters is basically screwed.

I personally dislike Melee and Brawl though for different reasons though. For me getting bored of a game isn’t a matter of time. It’s a matter of game design. Maybe you can force yourself to play a horrid game just because you haven’t played it that long. I guess you have a high threshold for pain.

You keep citing tourney experience even though time and again I have proven on SWF that honestly…I know wtf I’m talking about. It’s not hard to know wtf you are talking about when you study a game, and frame data and match-ups, and discuss things with high level players, etc.

What else can I say? Maybe you are the type of person who needs to go to a bunch of tournies before they understand concepts like zoning and space control. Me? I can look at a movelists and come to some pretty accurate conclusions.

It’s just sad that you will play such a terrible game for so long before moving on. I guess it hasn’t clicked that you could play a more traditional fighter.

Ah, well.

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So much hate. It makes me sad :-(.

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Zealot, you do realize the only reason why DSF and Azen play Brawl is because of money right? Brawl is so easy to make money in for those types of players its not funny. DSF is probably in it only for the money. Azen legitimately likes Brawl from what I understand.

BTW, if MK is banned, you kill all the skill Brawl provides and Falco becomes second best because of his damn chain grab. Seriously. Brawl is horrible compared to even Onimusha Blade Warriors. If your game is shittier than an obscure party fighter, you know your game is horrific, and that is just damn sad.

Oh yeah, the new TMNT fighter even looks better than Brawl.

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Smashboards is a hopeless wreck of teenage boys fapping to anime porn.

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LOL @ SWF complaining about no stream time @ evo

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link?

I mean, seriously, did they think they were an official part of Evo?

looks at evo site official game logos Street Fighter 4… HD Remix… Soul Calibur 4… MvC2… Guilty Gear… nope no Smash. What about the matches? They were coordinated by Evo staff, right? …right?

Oh, wait, nope. AiB was running it. I was actually amazed BlazBlue got the 10 minutes it did, for similar reasons, but I suppose that was to build up SOME hype for it. Brawl players were given a corner, told to stick to it and zip it, and they did. That no good? Well, I do hear complaints about not enough space for people playing at the time… guess they could use that extra corner for next year.

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Seriously, AZ came in here with all his data and shit.

Guess what?

Evo got over ONE THOUSAND people to sign up for SFIV.

Brawl can’t hope to compare to that.

You heard all that hype for the Evo matches in SFIV? Who the fuck gets hype like that for Brawl? No fucking body. That’s who.

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http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234582&page=5

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Oh.

Meh. One person quietly stating lame amongst a post I don’t think really constitutes as them complaining about not being on the stream. I’m sure there was someone in the TvC fandom questioning the lack of streaming for them too, but they’d get the same oddball look but nothing more.

I wouldn’t stop pointing my finger and laughing if they were actually complaining, but I don’t see it, so whatever. Almost seems like you’re kinda trollin’ over there a bit too.

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The Brawl community is a mess. So much stuff going on everywhere (Ever heard of “Air planking wih MK”). There’s also stage bans that I disagree with and some of their reasons doesn’t exist. I’m taking it upon myself to take a good look at the stages they banned, something is not right.

Let’s take Mushroomy Kingdom as a example. As you know, one of their complaints was that the stage was random due to it loading a different stage randomly. This is a lie, whether it was accidental or not. There is a way that you could select the stage of Mushroomy Kingdom, Sakurai even mentions this. For Mushroomy Kingdom I (above ground), highlight the stage and hold the X or Y button (Hold the C button if your on Wiimote+Nunchuck). For Mushroomy Kingdom II (the underground), just hold the L or R button (Hold Z on the Wiimote+Nunchuck). So there, it wasn’t random all along. Let’s see what other stuff was overlooked :sweat:.

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I thought Mushroomy Kingdom was a problem because it’s basically a walk off and it’s moving. I could see matches less than a minute by not so pleasant strategies. I could see that stage just becoming another stage DDD just chaingrabs and walks them off the screen.

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*yawn

All this data.

Still no talk about the serious flaws of the horrible game you play. That’s all you have ever done AZ. Hide behind data and numbers. Why not actually attempt to talk about the game itself.

Oh yeah you can’t. I don’t know a high level player in Brawl scene that could say Brawl is a good game with a straight face. The absolute best they could say is that they enjoy the game.

And that’s fine. But the game is still a bad game competitively.

But you play it anyway. Which is sad. It’s really fucking sad that you don’t even need to train in this horrid game or take it seriously to place. One of my best friends teh spammerer got 3rd place at a national level tourney and he HATES Brawl and thinks it’s completely skill less.

Brawl gets numbers because it’s backed by Nintendo fanboys. We both know this. Don’t try to act like it’s because Brawl is good. Those fanboys is the only thing keeping your scene alive.

So, enjoy your crappy game with it’s crappy joke of a community with it’s crappy mechanics.

And I don’t know hype?

Son, you have forgotten what hype looks like since it’s been so long since you been to a tourney where people actually love the game and think the game is EXCITING.

Remember that AZ? EXCITEMENT?

No?

That is truly a pity.

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I’m asking you…to talk about the game you play.

That’s all.

What’s so hard about that?

I can easily make generalized statements about you BTW.

All you do is hide behind a wall of data and your tourney attendances without discussing anything of substance.

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Do you know who put most of that money in? Fanboys who think Brawl is good, while it isn’t.

Brawl has nothing going for it other than fanboys.

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Peach only takes SHFFLing and floating into account. Diddy Kong (lol wut) easily has more tech skill than Peach.

And yea, I do get that tournaments aren’t JUST for winning, but quit acting like the Smash community is the only community that does this too. Other communities do this as well. Your ignorance is amazing, and it shows.

A fanboy is someone who raves that this game is better than all others despite being told the contrary. People who wear shirts of lets say Mega Man might not be fanboys, but might just like the shirt or apparel.

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So you like the game? You like that it’s popular and has a shit load of people playing it.

That’s cool.

But that’s not what I’m talking about.

You are not addressing the things that make people abandon the game. The engine. The engine is just subpar. My lack of tourney attendance does not detract form the FACTS that I stated. From what I wrote in the Marth boards to what I’m saying now. Nothing I ever said was pulled out of my ass. If it was I couldn’t have gotten into SBR plain and simple. And the idea that you think you make my statements out to be false just because I didn’t leap at the chance to attend tournies is laughable.

Brawl is not a deep game compared to any mainstream fighter. It is incredibly simple. This is widely accepted fact.

If I make a statement about a character in Brawl that is a fact, going to tournaments doesn’t suddenly make it any more true then if I hadn’t gone to tournies.

I dunno. Maybe because you play Diddy you are not fully experiencing how dull Brawl is. Liking a game is one thing but honestly for me what I like is entirely based on how well the engine is put together. When I look at Brawl I see a slop job and I hate the game for that.

And if you think you need to attend an ass load of tournies to understand an engine, then your just plain mistaken. Myself and several others have proven many times on SWF that this is not the case Seth Killian doesn’t fucking play SFIV in tournaments but he is a manager for Capcom and I doubt anyone in America other then top level pros knows as much as him. Why? Because he has studied the game.

And what exactly has changed SOOOOOOOOO much in the Brawl scene in one year with such a limited engine?

Tell me?

Is MK still number one? Is Snake still number 2? Is the metagame still not completely based on how ell the cast does against these two?

Yo, real talk. Props for picking arguable the most complicated character in Brawl. You are lucky. You get to feel like Brawl is deep. Most others aren’t so lucky and they have to face the cold hard truth that Brawl just isn’t a deep game.

Let me ask you this.

Do you consider Brawl a good game or a deep game? Can you explain your reasoning because I can sure explain mine.