You guys have nothing better to discuss except how much you hate another gaming community?
Come on, can’t we all get along? What’s with the hate?
Ignorant posts like this only further the flames.
MK ban has been debated back and forth for months because it is on the borderline of what is bannable, by Sirlin standards. He has a significant negative effect on the metagame and is worse than the Old Sagat example used in the book as a MINIMUM BASELINE for a ban…but he’s not Akuma.
Nobody is talking about making it more “skillful”. Top level metagame is in danger of degrading to nothing but metaknight dittos. Top 9 of 12 players at WHOBO were Metaknight.
He keeps growing more and more dominant. No bad or even matchups, his worst matchup is a ditto, and no bad stages- on a game heavily reliant on the counterpick system, no less.
LOL, I’d really like you to play him, you’d be eating those words.
Brawl is a broken game, it’s extremely unbalanced. It really is. Pick Meatfag and spam Whorenado then win, it’s that easy. The only reason I still play Brawl occasionally is because you can find some good online players that don’t whorenado spam. I attended a Brawl tourney, want to know what the brackets were? No joke here. All of them were MK. ALL OF THEM. Except me, I have dignity to be Captain Falcon -.-
On the topic of MK being banned, I would’ve liked him to be banned. But he’s officially not. Why? Because his tornado has insane priority, he has lagless aerials, his Dsmash is completely broken with it’s speed, and he is a perfect 15.0 on the tier list.
Example of a typical Brawl scrub; “I went to a tournament, and they all played a high tier, but I had the dignity to play a low tier. At least I still have my honor!”
The tornado has only a small amount to do with him being banned. It’s his overall moveset and far more options than every other character and ungimpable recovery and ability to stall on any stage and no bad or even matchups that make him bannable, not his tornado.
But you wouldn’t know that, you’re an online player. You can’t punish tornado under lag xD
Most of us will admit that by game design standards, Brawl’s got a ton of stupid design choices and yes is not a great competitive game, especially compared to Melee.
However, it’s still enjoyable enough and requires enough player ability for the best players to consistently win, and shows clear gaps in player ability, so it’s not absolutely worthless.
And some of us find it, well, actually fun. Novel concept, yes?
Again, it’s really unfortunate that you guys have nothing better to do than attack a sibling gaming community
Praxis you didnt have to come here on the sole purpose to defend the smash community. it was best to observe and lurk, then see whats up. remember this was just a single person opinion I want to see the opion of the community as a whole, not a single person.
not here to flame either. youre not making things anybetter by doing so.
I bet if Sirlin posted here he would say that MK isn’t ban worthy because he isn’t. Melee was also broken by balance standards because only about 2 characters from the low/bottom tier have a snow balls chance in hell against the top tiers.
Mk shuts down half of the cast. Big fucking deal. It happens in most fighters that aren’t balanced. By your standards we should be banning MSS teams in Marvel because they kill diversity, but look they are not. Its called playing around those characters. If you aren’t even going to try, congratulations, you are now an official scrub.
One tournament means shit for banning a character. Wait until next year before you bring up results. It’ll help easier when in deciding a ban which isn’t even warranted.
Newsflash: That is already being done in other fighters. Don’t act like Smash is the only community getting Tier hate. Scrubs will always hate using higher tiers, thus they will use lower tiers to compensate for the fact that they suck.
Brawl requires no skill to play. Literally. I got good at Brawl within about 4 months after the game was released while playing only on Wifi. That should tell you something about the game’s skill level.
Old Sagat has more options available to him than any other SF character. Lets ban him because of that shall we?
Oh cool that means if you came to a tournament you could beat the best right?
cmon, seriously. throwing in wifi is like saying, “Im really good at SF4 because I play a lot of practice mode.”
As far the MK banning, thats a different discussion. If you want to discuss that go on SWF or AiB, I want to move away from that because there is a disparity* between the two communities in terms of respect. that is what i want to figure out, the reasoning behind it.
a triangle top tier(Fox>Sheik, Shiek>Marth, Marth>Fox, or you could just call all 3 match ups even, on some stages they really are that close) and Falco who basically goes even or beats the other three to a higher or lesser extent(stage dependent also).
a high tier(peach,jiggs,ICs) that makes Falco less dominant and IMO almost drops him a tier(Falcon is there too, but he’s just fast).
the lower tiers are aren’t completely useless(save for maybe kirby yoshi bowser and pichu) but arent gonna win tournies without another characters(or even 2 others) help in certain matchups.
not as balenced as guilty gear or sf4(right now) but melee has 26 characters with about 8 playable characters.
But anyway me being a brawl player. Brawl is a fun game no lie sure it may not be as in-depth as MvC2 (Mah favorite) or SF4 but hey you have to give the smashers credit for trying to evolve the game. Most of the people who are whining about that stuff you mostly hear about are nintendo-fans who haven’t played a competitve fighting game ever. And the other side are mostly online players who are having a hard time dealing with simple spammy attacks that can even be dealt with in lag (not the freezing lag but I think you know what I mean.) Really they’re some people who are trying to get the community noticed as hard as possible I’ve been trying to go to smashfest and tourneys as much and just have fun (I’m a MK main By the way) Oh yeah and people who think its just MK dittos that will make you win no… it’s not Ally beat M2K (Mew2King) in APEX alot of Pro-ban MK players are saying he threw the game but I mean seriously would you throw a tournament when the grand prize is $1000? Its funny because he alos lost to Lain (A Ice Climber) yet these people on smashboards are still not giving the other players credit… I remember back then when Azen beat M2K’s MK they gave him props because he was a Melee veteran and all but they haven’t realized that new people are gonna come in and new things are gonna change. Ally said he seriously wanted to win badly he knew he had to take on M2K he worked his butt off and won. He definitely deserves his credit for one.
A lot of you are really un-informed and haven’t ever seen high level play from any sort of recent tournament. SF IV is far more balanced and, imo, a better game…but that doesn’t take away from high level play with a vast range of characters. Just recently at APEX there were 9 different characters used for the top 9 placings.
As for the MK ban, that’s whatever; let people argue. Some of you are spouting off about it when you fail to realize that even in the melee community, there were (in the early stages of melee, sort of like the stage brawl’s in now) talks of having sheik banned because she was “way too good”.
if you’re going to make fun of something, try and know something about it instead of posting links to horrific examples of tournament play. lol at the Scotu post; if you think that’s what high level players play like then you’re severely mistaken.
Opinions are fine though. I suppose I just have a respect for all competitive games that are worth playing, and putting soul calibur and brawl in the same sentence is, to be blunt, joke worthy.
And to Fluga? You aren’t good at brawl for playing online; if you’ve never been to a tournament then chances are you’d get completely wrecked, sent straight to losers, then sent straight home.
When melee first came out there were a total of 7 smash tournies that had over 10 people(none over 18) in the first 2 years.
bad example about early melee community wanting to ban shiek.
by the time shiek strarted winning tournies with tourneys that had more than scrubs and more than like 8 people in attendence, fox started taking over(as did mario LOL).
and now today we have the crazy tierlist/matchups that we have in melee
brawl has more people playing it than prolly all the fighting games communities combined
2/3’s of a community wanting a character banned in a game where that said character has matchups that he can lose is just lololololololol.
players in every region have their own opinions on the MK Ban because each region is affected differently. NJ is going to have nothing but MK players. Wheras here in SoCal we have more diversity. WA used to be pretty diverse, now everyone 2nds MK.
Brawl is definitely the gayest fighting game I have ever played, beyond need for comparison. To be willing to play it, you have to be willing to either play as gay as possible, or against people who do.
About Meta Knight…I’d say he’s pretty much as good as Zangief in SF4 (just a guess). The community’s just not used to fighting games or finding ways around stuff, even though there’s so many of us.
What’s with the hate?