The Magic: The Gathering Thread

General Discussion
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i dont think you understand how legacy tournaments work. Isochron Scepter is too slow for tournaments. You might be able to win with Isochron Scepter in casual, but when in comes to tournaments that idea is really bad. And no one has played Isochron Scepter in like 10 years, cause no one wants to deal with, spell pierce, force of will, thought seize, inquisition of kozilek, daze, pithing needle, abrupt decay, disenchant, phyrexian revoker, krosan grip, and wipe away

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standard has always been expensive, were have you been for the last 20 years? You always have to buy a new deck every rotation, I think thats why people are playing mod now, since mod is never going to have a rotation and you dont have to buy duel lands

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[quote=“AlanEdrick, post:63, topic:163136”]

Or the shit that cascades into all of that.:lol:

AlanEdrick: If you wanna survive this thread, you’re gonna have to learn how to ignore Jion.

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Anger of the gods looks super good.

I am also excited about the ug seedborn muse, but that’s because of commander.

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Here is some fearless speculation on the upcoming rotation to hopefully spur discussion:

  • Azorius-based control in general and Sphinx’s Revelation in particular are the big winners upon rotation. The only relevant things that they lose are bad match-ups! Now only Voice of Resurgence stands to defend the good, creature-playing MtG masses against the evil hordes of spell-based control.

  • Selesnya looks strong, with a strong curve and access to powerful cards like Advent of the Wurm and Trostani. It also has access to Voice of Resurgence. It has no dual in Theros, though.

  • Red-based aggro survives rotation, with Firedrinker Satyr replacing Stromkirk Noble and Purphoros replacing Hellrider. Legion Loyalist looks strong against the token-heavy Selesnya deck. Both green and white can act as splashes. If three-color decks remain prevalent Burning Earth is also an option for red.

  • Big red seems like it’ll be a thing. Boros Reckoner, Purphoros, Mizzium Mortars, Stormbreath Dragon and Magma Jet look like a solid backbone. Just like in aggro, a white splash is possible for stuff like Warleader’s Helix, Assemble the Legion and the new Elspeth. A green splash is also possible for Domri, Xenagos and Ruric Thar (gotta hate on dat Azorius!).

  • Junk loses a lot of tools. It has replacement tools, but the mana is a lot worse and the reanimation component is a lot slower. Angel of Serenity is still strong. Whip of Erebos and Rescue from the Underworld can replace Unburial Rites. Maybe Deadbridge Chant can work.

  • Maaaaaaaybe Boros Battalion Aggro will be a thing. It has access to Boros Charm against Supreme Verdict, and Frontline Medic against Sphinx’s Revelation.

  • Golgari Control is dead. Without Mutilate to support it Desecration Demon is a lot worse. Without Thragtusk it’s a lot harder to not die. Without Garruk there is no good way to refill the hand.

  • Jund is dead as it currently exists. It loses Huntmaster, Thragtusk, Olivia and Bonfire with no good replacements so far. Jund is nearly always a viable color combination so maybe there’s a Jund deck in the future, but it’ll be a different beast from the one we have right now.

  • Hexproof seems to be relegated to a tier 2 strategy at best. Witchstalker and Scout are just not as good as Geist and Stalker. Good riddance, if you ask me. Hexproof is probably my fourth most hated aspect of the game**.

  • Tempo in general seems dead. No Geist, no game.

  • I have no idea if Aristocrats can survive. Cartel Aristocrat and Xantid Necromancer are still around, but Lingering Souls, Doomed Traveler and Tragic Slip are gone. I’ll say that it’s probably dead, but maybe not. If it survives it’ll probably be in B/W colors.

** My most hated aspects of the game are mana-screw, Storm mechanic, Miracle mechanic, Hexproof and the card “Show and Tell”.

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Jion is a super noob, he doesnt understand legacy at all. The thing is with legacy

Legacy does not care about new players. Lets say you just started magic, you’ve been playing for a week or so. Then you goto a legacy tournament and get destroyed on turn 2 or 3.

Legacy cost money. Goblins, Elf’s, Death and taxes, Mud. Are most likely the cheapest decks to make that can win.

100% of the time, every deck that wins a legacy tournament is a net deck.

Just cause you can beat some of your friends at magic with a casual deck does not mean you are going to win at legacy.

Legacy does not care about how good you think you are. What I mean by this is, just cause you think you have some good ideas doesn’t mean they are going to work.

Legacy decks are some of the most powerful decks in mtg, they can win turn 2 or turn 3. If you don’t know the meta and just think you are going to enter a tournament and wing it, most likely you will lose to a super powered deck.

As for standard, Jund is going to die, and everyone is going to play blue white control and red green aggro

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I remember when Dredge was a budget deck… but now you need LED for it. Affinity was the budget deck de jour for a while, but the Legend rule update upped the cost of Mox Opal and the Modern format upped the cost of Ravager. Even Goblins and Death and Taxes needs Wasteland and Elves needs Cradle. MUD seems doable without completely breaking the bank, but it’s not exactly what I would call a budget deck.

Burn is probably the cheapest deck that can win a big event. I think it took down two consecutive SCG events earlier this year.

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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370592&type=card

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370635&type=card

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370676&type=card

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370625&type=card

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370586&type=card

You know what I just realized besides the mana symbols of course. After looking at these cards again I realized that those are five planeswalkers holding the staves. you know the five.

EDIT: Here’s the bearer of the staff of the death magus:

http://roxiecards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/lilianas-carress.jpg

Also what’s the new legend rule regarding Mox Opal, etc? I haven’t played type 1.5 in a while and looking to make a stasis/shared fate deck. Yes, that means your own deck will give me the win.

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Affinity and Dredge died once people brought in a lot of hate. Burn is ok, until someone brings leyline’s and kills your deck.

Jion is like a MvC2 noob, you know those noobs that think they can beat Sent/Storm teams with Sakura, Bison, Gief. No matter how many times you tell noobs that there are tiers, their just like I can use noob tactics and think I can beat them

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/angerofthegods.jpg

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/mistcutterhydra.jpg

man red green in standard keeps getting better

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Anyone going to the prerelease? Also, what about Land Tax/Lands’ Edge with Goblin Charbelcher?

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Goblin Charbelcher has a hard time winning, cause there is a lot of artifact hate, and sb cards can kill Goblin Charbelcher decks. Its a so-so deck. You are better of playing Ant-storm decks. No one uses land tax in legacy cause its too slow. Legacy storm is just a lot better, cause you can with tendrils of agony or empty the warrens on turn 2 or 3

Land tax is meh, when you can use lions eye diamond, lotus petal, chrome mox, ancient tomb, city of traitors, or aether vial

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All I can say is this…

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Full theros spoiler is out

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nice cant wait to buy a booster box. This set is going to be enchantment heavy, so im sure a lot of people are going to SB a lot of hate. Ya im just going to ignore Jion cause hes the obviously the best mtg player, he knows how to win, he knows more then anyone. Even people who’ve been playing legacy for more then 5 years and back then stomping people with worldgorger dragon decks on turn 2 every game

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Back in 1995 i used Stasis decks and burn decks

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and now those decks are dead good for you. Did you ever win a legacy tournament without noobs? Man I miss when MTG was on ESPN2

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Shit yo, there’s more to the game than just legacy, legacy, legacy.

Also MTG is a horrible spectator sport. Even if you know the rules of the game, have fun following what’s going on if you don’t know all the cards off by heart. They’re been addressing it somewhat in the recent world tournament vids by showing you and explaining the cards, but you’re still ain’t gonna draw in any new blood by showing them an MTG video lol

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I know more about standard more then any format, playing it since 94. Its a really bad format, the format comes down to only maybe 2 tier 1 decks that dominant the format. Back then tinker decks destroyed every deck, before that necro, till necro was banned, thats why stasis won worlds that year. standard players always play the same tier 1 decks that win the same tournaments every week. Like Blue/Green Maddness and psychatog decks ran over every deck at the time. Then came even more boring decks like affinity, affinity made so many people quit magic it was even funny. Mtg had to ban a lot of stuff in affinity, slide won worlds that year. Slide and affinity were the only decks that won 90% of tournaments. Just like how blue green madness and togg won 99% of tournaments. I quit standard after tooth and nail became the best deck

And standard still hasnt changed much tier 1 decks still dominant standard. Jund has been winning like every mayor tournament and Red green midrange.
Standard is a really slow format now taking like 10-12 turns to win a fucking game.

Id rather play modern were, Blue/white, pod, robots, the rock, and jund. modern and legacy have a lot more decks that win.

Ive talking to my friends EDH, and why anyone would play that format is beyond me. You can only use 1 card of a type? Fuck that, that sounds like noobish format, and fuck shuffling that many cards. I think people play EDH cause they cant win at any other format

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Xenagos is going to run train in this format…

That nigga is going to be mad expensive…

I don’t focus on what goes on in tournaments lol… I play casuals with friends and other randoms(FNM) because its a game that most people my age or older(21+) play… surprisingly Yugioh is a more balanced card and cheaper game than MTG but nobody plays it, so I’m just outback…

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ive played standard since 94 and I hate the format, extended was pretty fun back then, old school Rock was the shit. Ya I would never play EDH, magic was meant to be played with 4 of the same card not just 1 copy of a card, fuck that. Id rather play pauper magic, were you can only use commons, no rare, no un-commons, just commons. And every format has net decks and banned cards, and people who dont like legacy, have never played legacy.

Standards main problem is hardly any decks can beat tier 1 decks, were in legacy decks like goblins, elfs, post ramp, merfolk, miracles, mavrick, death and taxes, mud, and painter can win tournaments, and they arent tier 1

I also used to play casuals, till I kept beating everyone, and everyone would keep teaming up on me. casuals has so many sore losers its not even funny, they always complain my decks are to powerful. Bunch of scrubs.

modern is fun some times, and pretty cheap if you dont want to buy duel lands, mostly the mana base is the new fetch lands and shock lands. The only thing that bugs be about mod, is they banned wild nacatl, yet I can use 4 delvers, and 4 tarmogoyfs, makes perfect sense