It looks like an anti-aggro card for midrange decks, which would normally be pretty good, but right now is kinda trash because it doesn’t kill Copter.
BR3N7
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Dis mofo trying to think Type 2 lol. This could/will see play in Modern and even Legacy … You play this then BAM Ancestral Vision. Its essentially a removal with a odd kinda cascade. Not better than Deluge but I am sure Legacy Shardless players will test a boardwipe into Agent into Vision as a sexy 1-2-3 punch.
I can see it in Shardless but what would you take out? The list is pretty tight.
Modern is kinda iffy.
Been having fun with burn so far. Took down a small event to start with. I gotta admit, I never really respected Eidolon of the Great Revel as it usually just ate a removal spell for 2 damage when I played against it. However while piloting burn against infect and Thing Ascension, it puts a lock on players similar to Ensaring Bridge. I’ll bet this deck goes through suicide zoo like cake.
On another note, I’d like an opinion on something. A guy who was kind of pegged as the “bad but at least he tries” player finally got into the finals of a draft. His record wasn’t too hot, 2-0-1, but due to drops and such he got paired against the 3-0-0 player. The undefeated player had thought his opponent was going to ID and reports it like that, but our main character wanted to play for first. Undefeated guy was short on time and wanted to just ID and catch a ride. How do you think the situation should be handled?
So here’s a small list of descriptions and lemme know how it would sway your opinion:
-The undefeated player was telling the main character that the risk was high and the decrease in prize value would be great, which is true
-The undefeated player was complaining about having to un-sleeve and be unable to leave
-It was close to midnight
-Main character delayed the start time of the draft
In my honest opinion, I say if at least one person wants to play then y’all play it out. Sometimes just getting first for once is worth more than the prize to some. The main character actually did end up winning which I was happy for. On the other hand, the undefeated, then defeated, player did have some valid reasons which were logical choices in theory.
This was a little different from my recent experience where I was in the undefeated guy’s situation. My opponent went to ask the judge how would the potential prize work out. Judge approaches me with the guy and goes through the explanation, but then stays there and says “that’s the the breakdown. I cannot force or persuade you to take any choices” while staring at me with the other guy. Kind of felt like I was getting forced/persuaded without any words. I agreed to ID, and I would have regardless to not be a dick, but I felt like there poor taste. Maybe I’m reading too much into it because of bad experiences in the past?
There are many good reasons to ID in MtG tournaments, and in most cases no reason not to ID. The system is designed to reward intentional draws, so we are used to them. However, it is always the right of the player to decline the ID and play if he wants. No matter the circumstance, the person who wants to play is in the right. If “undefeated player” really didn’t want to play, he can concede.
In general, I feel that MtG has a rather unsporting culture of deference to intentional draws. They exist because banning them is unenforceable, but people act like they are desirable.
Enforce a turn rule in MTG like in chess. You can’t draw until both players reach turn 11 or something. Also, MTG should use chess clocks and a player can lose if their time runs out. This avoids intentionally prolonging the game when a player knows that they will lose and wastes freaking time
Pertho
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Playing it out is fine but you usually have the one unreasonable asshole who wants to make everybody suffer for no reason.
I stopped doing midnight prereleases aftet somebody who coulsbt make top 8 forced an entire new round because he wanted to play more and 20 other people didnt.
While i mostly agree with Ukyo on playing it out, there’s peoole who love being selfish. Makes sense though since its what mtg encourages.
I see that situation as less about being selfish, and more about 20 people trying to bully one guy to act against his own interest for their convenience. I would like to reiterate that at no point is anyone being forced to play. Every player has the right to concede and drop out of the tournament, should they desire. Since when does someone need a reason to play out a round in a tournament? It’s a tournament. Playing games is the point.
It is my opinion that if one person wants to play and 3500 other players in a grand prix want to ID, the person who wants to play is still in the right.
Iduno
6669
Gotta agree with @ukyo_rulz on this you go to an event to play, the prizes are rewards for winning the tournament, giving people shit for doing what they came to do, doing what the tournament fucking exists for is fucked up.
BR3N7
6670
Hmmm this topic is a odd one but I feel personally I hate byes and would always elect to play if possible especially with as little time I get to go out play live. The logic @Pertho is using also is no different in normal tournaments not just in the PR. Essentially your saying that in a normal tournament where people are playing on table 12 who each have ZERO chance to top 8 or prize should not play since its pointless but its ok as long people are on tables 1-5 can. You shouldn’t go to PR cause they are lame and dumb now, not sure if you got to experience a true old school 300 man PR but those were the what made PR’s fun. Plus if you wanna dick move you can just tell whoever is paired vs the 1 who wants to play to just not play and lose and its the same idea since that person would also not be in the prize territory.
Kind of a touchy subject really. But I will say if they are electing to play on the side of salt that they have done terrible and are purposely drawing the tournament out to make people suffer then I feel at that moment its beyond the event and that asshole needs to be banned cause people aint gots no time for dat shit.
Naeras
6671
I remember the first time I played Ascension storm against Eidolon. I hadn’t realized what that card actually did against noninteractive decks before then. It was painful.
(I actually nearly won that game; I managed to kill the eidolon with grapeshot while he was tapped out, then tried to go off because he had three cards in hand and I was at 5. I got to 20 storm without finding past in flames =( )
…and yes, suicide zoo just folds to burn.
Queued post: Infect matchups? You mean turn 1: Glistner Elf and pray your opponent doesn’t have a bolt or path?
Imo if players want a place to play, they should just buy a couple of cards out of support. I buy stuff out of my local store just for the sake of securing a place to enjoy my hobby.
However, none of the new product makes me want to go out and pick it up, and they have been on the decline for me ever since theros. Other than khans and tarkir, I haven’t really cared for any sets for the past 2 years now.
I actually didn’t even know that a new set was coming out. My interest for this damn game is at an all time low and I WANTED to play standard. I’m extremely unhappy about the state of this game.
Pertho
6673
My situation was a pre-release that started at midnight and was running into 8 a.m. Literally a for fun even that stopped being fun two and a half hours before we tried to see if we could just kill the last round so many of the people that were there could just get their packs and go home (mind you, a lot of these people who were tired were first time attendees at the store).
So no, fuck that guy. He made a fun event unpleasent for a lot of people. Regular tournaments do whatever. Ptqs and higher, same applies. For funsies bullshit that ran too long? Gtfo with that shit.
When I was living close Honolulu, I got to go to the 1999 prerelease that had like 300 or more people for an Urza set. Whichever Urza set was in May or June. Was it Destiny with the False Prophet as the prerelease card? Can’t remember off the top and no, I’m not going to “Google” it…
I have a friend who used to play storm. He lost a pptq final against burn, then went to a wmcq and lost again to burn, even though his SB was all anti burn tech. He got so mad that he sold his deck. He said Eidolon is unbeatable for storm.
Naeras
6676
It was close to unbeatable in older versions of storm, yes. You needed the freak hand where you had one of your two Grapeshots in hand, which meant you very likely wouldn’t be going off that turn, and even then you’d still take 4 at least damage in the process of clearing the Eidolon. Not a fun card to face with that deck.
Thing Ascension does a lot better against burn though, since it’s more interactive and doesn’t require that huge turn to win (it generally only plays one grapeshot iirc?).
Good. Storm ruined “combo” in MtG.
It’s funny, since storm is now the archetypal combo deck - linear, noninteractive, doing a bunch of weird things and then winning in one big turn.
I’m not even sure if thing ascension could be considered a storm deck, do they play any storm cards ? Maybe a “storm-like” strategy…
Naeras
6679
I checked up some lists. Some play an 1-of grapeshot and/or have Empty in the sideboard. Some don’t. So there are storm-subvarieties of Thing Ascension, I’d guess?
