The Magic: The Gathering Thread

Saitsu · 2016-02-06T00:53:05.000Z

BullDancer:

Saitsu:

Well never mind…it seems neither XMage or Cockatrice want to work on my laptop. I’m not one to believe in fate so readily but between the timing of my local’s closing, and the refusal of Magic Duels, XMage AND Cockatrice wanting to work on my laptop I guess someone somewhere doesn’t think I belong playing MtG.

Thanks for the help anyway.

@Saitsu I have a client you can play on. If you have Windows, I can just zip my folder up and send it when I have time. You can really only play people on it if you know somebody in real life with the program. But it gives you an opportunity to see the cards but it doesn’t automatically resolve rulings. It’s called lackey ccg with that magic plugin.

I have Lackey (initially got it for FOW) and I also have OCTGN.

Pertho · 2016-02-06T00:55:19.000Z

Esper Mill built, Elves put back together. Thinking of building Genesis Wave. All of the Genesis Wave cards only fit in Genesis Wave, so i’m thinking it’d give people something to have fun with without biting into other decks.

The_Damned · 2016-02-06T01:28:18.000Z

(Yeah, Genesis Wave doesn’t seem like it has much overlap with other decks in what it wasn’t wants to use outside of the typical Green “manadorks” and there are enough of those as to be basically interchangeable at this point.)

Asking about the Sword of War and Peace reminds me that I’m still waiting for the Sword of Crime and Punishment and the Sword of Pride and Prejuidice. [/stolen joke]

As far as pros and cons go of the aforementioned existent Sword, @“BIG BAD MOG”, the only huge upside the sword has it is protections. With it on, the creature is basically protected from every common non-mass, non-Black kill spell outside of the increasingly used Wasteland Stranger, though the creature the Sword is on has to be an x/1 creature to get killed by a cast Wasteland Stranger that “processes” something due to the +2/+2 the Sword gives. The cons of the Sword is that in and against most decks it’s already meager abilities don’t mean much, especially since it has no evasion unless you’re playing against a Red or White deck and due to the natural tendency of most non-Control decks to have relatively few cards in hand by as early as turn four.

It’s still better than the Sword of Yoga Body and Mind though.

FrostyAU:

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I wouldn’t mind trying UW Merfolk, it has a free manabase with Wanderwine Hub and Seachrome Coast and I’d just splash it to have Path and sideboard options like Rest in Peace, Kataki War’s Wage, Leyline of Sanctity etc.

I had forgotten that Wanderwine Hub existed. Huh. A shame that splashing White doesn’t give you access to many more Merfolk and the only notable White Merfolk (in an aggro deck) is the “good” version of Sygg, though that card is potentially really good, even with the Eldrazi deck gaining in popularity:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=140172&type=card

Beyond that, it’s also a shame that the better White sideboard cards against Affinity can’t really be used (as well) given you would be screwing over your own Aether Vial. On the other hand, idea of uncounterable Crib Swaps off of Cavern of Souls is rather hilarious as far as removal goes, especially since it doesn’t accelerate your opponent or thin out their deck.

Saitsu:

Well never mind…it seems neither XMage or Cockatrice want to work on my laptop. I’m not one to believe in fate so readily but between the timing of my local’s closing, and the refusal of Magic Duels, XMage AND Cockatrice wanting to work on my laptop I guess someone somewhere doesn’t think I belong playing MtG.

Thanks for the help anyway.

Atem. His name is Atem.

Pertho · 2016-02-06T01:46:09.000Z

Hmm…could spend 70 dollars and finish off all the cards i need for eldrazis. Not sure if i wanna pull the trigger though.

BR3N7 · 2016-02-06T04:46:05.000Z

Hey @Pertho if you wanted the prison shit you don’t have let me know, I will sell it to ya for super fucking cheap like half the value since I know what you are using it for and I find it cool your making loner decks for people. Only cards I already dumped are the Leylines/suppressions/Wrath/Ghostly. Won’t be by the rest for a few weeks but thought I would ask ya. But I was going to just take a shit ton of stuff to shuffle and cut when I’m in Cali and dump it all off since I am committed to Vintage and Legacy and already have the decks made and would be ok to get a little less for someone who just doesn’t make a profit.

Edit: guess most of the good stuff is gone. Well offer still stands.

Pertho · 2016-02-06T04:48:48.000Z

Lol I’m bleeding leylines right now. They’re in the damn sideboard of everything. :lol:

Pulled the trigger on the eldrazi thing. Need to work on finishing up zoo, scoring some genesis waves and figuring out what the hell happened to my scapeshifts. Bad time to be losing 150 dollars at random. Dining room table looks like a massive clusterfuck.

Saitsu · 2016-02-06T05:08:11.000Z

Picked a good time to start watching Pro Tours. The Greatest Draft Deck Ever in Modern.

shinquickman · 2016-02-06T08:40:26.000Z

I wish I was on the stream for the Thugs & Bugs outrage. The trolling possibilities

Saitsu · 2016-02-06T08:54:20.000Z

shinquickman:

I wish I was on the stream for the Thugs & Bugs outrage. The trolling possibilities

The stream was pretty comedy. Thugs and Bugs. 10/9 Snapcaster Mage with Vigi and Lifelink. 8-0 Draft Eldrazi in Modern.

FrostyAU · 2016-02-06T10:51:36.000Z

Eldrazi are now 6% of the meta in Modern.

Thought-Knot Seer is like $13. A bunch of the new Eldrazi cards are worth around $4-5 like Mimic, Matter Reshaper and Reality Smasher.

Looks like the BfZ / Oath stuff is making a splash in Modern.

FrostyAU · 2016-02-06T11:04:28.000Z

@“BIG BAD MOG” On the Swords discussion Light and Shadow is the best overall. The only removal you’ll get hit with that outright kills you is Path or stuff like Terminate and it protects you from both. +2/+2 is enough to put you out of Bolt range on any decent sized creature. Light and Shadow is great for grindy, attrition style play. The main reason you don’t see it more, or equipment more for that matter, is because Modern was a t4 meta and dropping and equipping the Sword requires 5 mana (to drop + equip) on top of a creature to equip it to which was just too slow. Another factor being Abrupt Decay. The Sword on it’s own like any equipment except Batterskull does nothing, it’s essentially a combo of creature + sword.

War and Peace is basically sideboard tech against stuff like Naya Burn and Jeskai Control because it avoids Path and stops them using Helix / Burn on the creature while creating lifeswings that any direct damage deck can’t keep up with. It’s not really worth it outside of that but it’s very good for that particular match.

Feast and Famine can let you swing past a Goyf and that’s about it over Light and Shadow. It has some gimmicky stuff with untapping lands which certain decks can abuse and it shreds their hand. Some people love it, but largely it’s redundant, in a late-game top-deck war the handhate does nothing and untapping your lands essentially does nothing except maybe let you use a manland you just swung with as a blocker. It’s for attrition and in attrition battles you want Light and Shadow more.

Fire and Ice is the most powerful on hit. It’s the best offensive Sword. It’s Shock + Draw and the resistances work very well with the double-striking Mirran Crusader. Outside of Mirran Crusader though it gives you the worst resistances. It can stop blue bounce but blue doesn’t have removal and has hardly any relevant blockers. +2+2 mostly puts you outside of Burn range and it does nothing to stop Path or any Black removal not named Terminate like Slaughter Pact, Dismember, Doom Blade, Go For The Throat etc.

Emanuelb · 2016-02-06T15:42:53.000Z

Pertho:

As crazy as genesis wave is, I’ve had this feeling that blue might be the nykthos deck. You have a couple of sneaky permanents that can power up a Nykthos and then begin interacting the shit out of them.

What about a black devotion deck powering out black sun’s zenith/ profane command (with geralf’s mess, gray merchant, grave titan…) ? I think black devotion might have a shot, if only phyrexian obliterator didn’t cost an arm and a leg…

also, do you think genesis wave is better than genesis hydra ? I think primal surge might be better than wave, too.

ukyo_rulz:

Here’s an interesting idea: Battle-Lands, Fetches and Basics in Modern. Fetches and Shocks are the industry standard but Battle-Land manabases are naturally more resilient to Blood Moon and they deal less damage to the player, improving aggro match-ups as well.

I’m using battle lands in modern. Sure, it’s mostly a budget thing, but I think they are good in a 2 color deck. In my Gr deck, I’m using 2 stomping grounds and 1 cinder glade, plus 10 basic forests

Pertho · 2016-02-07T04:17:51.000Z

It’s a good thing they didn’t reprint Inquisition of Kozilek so we could have all this devoid nonsense. Thank you WoTC for banning twin. :lol:

Saitsu · 2016-02-07T04:54:17.000Z

6 Eldrazi, 2 Affinity Top 8

BR3N7 · 2016-02-07T04:58:16.000Z

You fools think Legacy and Vintage are just a few deck and Modern PT top 8 is fucking 6 Eldrazi and 2 Affinity :lol:

Pertho · 2016-02-07T05:22:55.000Z

Mfw when the meta was more diverse with bloom in it.

shinquickman · 2016-02-07T06:08:30.000Z

Looks like your prediction was right, Pertho. Early on when OGW leaked, you said that if WotC weren’t careful with the colorless matters cards, older formats with their crazy colorless mana bases would be warped around them. And look what’s happening now. If SoI doesn’t have any crazy colorless hosers, Eldrazis are gonna process Modern into a stale, predictable limbo.

The_Damned · 2016-02-07T06:10:20.000Z

(Is there any more than slight variety among the Eldrazi decks? Or are they all mono-Black or Black splashing White?)

If there isn’t any significant variety among them, then it’s even funnier, especially since despite a few cards from Standard taking over Modern with Twin and Bloom cut down, those same cards and most the other cards from the two new sets are largely sub-par in Standard, in part because of the lack of enablers.

Speaking of which, I have to wonder how much Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple’s prices have increased over the past month or so.

Saitsu · 2016-02-07T06:11:57.000Z

The_Damned:

(Is there any more than slight variety among the Eldrazi decks? Or are they all mono-Black or Black splashing White?)

If there isn’t any significant variety among them, then it’s even funnier, especially since despite a few cards from Standard taking over Modern with Twin and Bloom cut down, those same cards and most the other cards from the two new sets are largely sub-par in Standard, in part because of the lack of enablers.

Speaking of which, I have to wonder how much Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple’s prices have increased over the past month or so.

There was one U/R Eldrazi in the Top 8 so there’s that.

shinquickman · 2016-02-07T06:26:47.000Z

There are three variants that made Top 8:

Chalice Eldrazi. Uses Chalice of the Void and Simian Spirit Guide to lock out 1 cmc plays.
UR Eldrazi. Looks like a BFZ draft deck with cards like Eldrazi Skyspawner, Ruin Processor, and Vile Aggregate.
Processor Eldrazi. This is the one we all knew from before.

What these three decks all have in common is that they all use the Thought-Knot Seer/Reality Smasher/Eldrazi Mimic/Matter Reshaper package and full/near full playsets of Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple to cheat the eldrazis out.