No, that would be impossible. If kid you is killed inadvertantly or purposely by older you then older you can’t possibly kill kid you much less be there and alive. I don’t know what kind of crazy talk Daniel was jabbering on about, but when he was dying there on the ground, I’m certain he must have realized that if his mother remembered shooting and killing him then it COULD NOT be undone and that’s why she couldn’t tell him, because she never told him before and knew this by his own admission.
This is why Terminator makes no sense. The Terminators were originally designed because one of them came back in time to Kill the leader of the resistance. But, had they SUCCEEDED and went back to the future, Cyberdyne would have never existed because they never would have found the future tech that lead to them being designed in the first place. This is reverse causality. The future impacting the past impacting the future. The robots should have already known this. Since they didn’t, it takes the idea that the “past can be changed” which it proves to be false.
Now, it’s basically the same as far as Lost is concerned. People from “the future” went back in time and are interacting with events in “the past”. However, Lost takes the idea that these are the events that already happened and will have always happened, meaning that Jack and the others ALWAYS went back in time to do whatever it is that they do. The Dharma people will still die at the hands of Benjamin Linus. Desmond will stil have to push the button and Flight 815 will still crash land on the Island. These things CANNOT be changed no matter what Daniel Farraday says.
Good episode, I have to say, they did a good job casting Eloise Hawkins, every version of her looks similar to the original and frankly all of them kind of fine. A shame she is doomed to have killed her own son, because ain’t no way this reverse time shit works.
What war, because I don’t remember any mention of one, besides the eventual Dharma Initiative massacre we have already seen.
I am still confused regarding deathbed Farady’s out-of-character logic. This show is so tight when the serial nature of time & causality are highlighted. What happened happened; when in the calendar past you simply facilitate the known future. If you consider the alternative possible, with so many people (variables) going backwards - the odds of a mild disturbance creating an alternate future which would consequently wink the travelers (in their current form) all out of existence is too high.
I would think the evidence would clearly point towards the castaways fulfilling requirements for calendar future and then A) dying in calendar past or B) returning to calendar present.
Why the fuck would Richard or Faraday’s mom want to nuke shit? If she wants to save her son, we have to assume that he is already born and off the island? How do “The Others” benefit from that plan? …to counter an eventual invasion from Whidmore?
How did they get the bomb down there? Down from that brace that was holding it originally? Didn’t Faraday tell them to encase it in cement?
I’ve had this feeling for a while, but I really don’t think Jacob exists. I believe Locke is taking the others to prove that he’s just a person Richard invented to control the others. I have no clue if Ben is on it or not.
When it comes to time travel, every show can make up it’s own rules about them. It doesn’t matter how nonsensical they are, because time travel doesn’t fucking exist in the real world, so there are no rules to base it by. A show could state that if I went back in time and killed my grandfather, all apples in all timelines would turn blue, and it would be correct because those are the rules the writers came up with. Trying to judge whether time travel rules are right or wrong in fiction is so silly.
I’mof the belief that Faraday simply caused the events he was trying to avoid. I think the bomb is going to be what causes the damage and forces them to have to govern the release of energy. Faraday caused the evacuation that we already know happened and it looks like Sawyer and crew’s actions lead to the war.
Check out the episode before this last one (where Dan died). He specifically says something about negating or canceling-out (something to that effect. I don’t remember exactly) the effects of the electromagnetic energy that is supposedly going to be released during “the incident.”
It’s perfectly feasible that the bomb could be altered so that it only emits the electromagnetic portion of it’s discharge and NOT the intense mega heatwave and organ-melting radioactive fallout that it’s usually accompanied with, and filter that electromagnetic burst so as to counteract the energy released from drilling through the hatch.
Hope that makes sense.
Yes, Dan told them to encase it in cement, but they obviously didn’t listen. No clue how they got it down, but contrary to popular T.V. show/action movie belief, bumping an atomic device doesn’t necessarily result in kaboom. So it’s perfectly feasable that the combined might of a few determined Others could have gotten it down safely.
We don’t know that was Jacob. We didn’t even see him. In fact, it could be someone from the past portraying Jacob to make Locke believe in him in order to get him to the point he’s at now. Just like what we just saw this episode with him telling Richard about getting shot and the compass.
What is it with '09 members beasting all over the place? :tup:
Anyone else reminded of Charlie, seeing them all swim down to the temple?
How about I followed this show through all the seasons and just now don’t know what the hell is going on? The last 2 episodes really did me in. Hopefully it’ll wrap up better for my feeble-minded ass next week.
Jack looked more like Jacob in this episode. His kneeling down in that cabin with his face smashed in and head down, wearing that brown jumpsuit. IDK. Clearly, John is going to end the notion of Jacob.
