I don’t really like Soraka most of the time. With all the hard engages and Ignites people run bot, Soraka just doesn’t offer as much most of the time. She’s really good against non-traditional supports, though. And as Kowtow mentioned Soraka lanes are a lot easier to gank. Against bad/scared players Soraka is awesome, though. Just 2v1 them and never run out of health or mana.
Other than that I still like all the standard supports depending on which AD carry they are with.
Just went 20 / 8 / 11 with ADC Kayle.
Seriously legit.
jayce eh
dont got him but he seems like a male nidalee.
Jayce is actually good, unlike Nidalee, but yeah, it’s sort of a similar concept.
Before someone goes “Nidalee is good,” she’s a bitch to lane against and yes, AP Nidalee does stupid amounts of damage with that spear, she is however, terrible.
Nidalee is dodge every spear and shes useless…
Yeah, pounce and swipe do like… no damage despite having AP ratios and her trap is nice doing a decent amount but you can’t rely on it to kill people, hell it doesn’t even give you vision unless they step on it. Swipe is extra useless due to being the last skill you want to level with her :S
The only thing Nidalee truly has going for her is that she can use lich bane / sheen relatively effectively and she’s very mobile, between her passive and cat form with pounce (that goes over obstacles) she moves quite fast.
I’ve had some success running a Tri - force / Guinsoo Nidalee build on Dominion, but really she has no place on any self - respecting team in Summoners.
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You ever laned against a Nidalee that decided to jump on you the moment she hits 6? No damage, my ass. That bitch hits like a freight train.
Why the fuck is nidalee everyone’s go to champ if they “don’t play support”
Fucking infuriating. I don’t want my support buying a fucking doran’s ring and blasting wand and not buying wards outside of laning phase.
I have no idea how you figure cougar form does no damage, but trap does decent damage
Throwing spears is fun, support nidalee is a lulzfest
Aphromoo casting orb vs MRN, the game just started, no kills yet
Was on a winning streak this weekend and now a losing streak today -_-
BTW Jamp don’t take jungle when someone is already going to jungle, you don’t have skype, you can’t Shaco jungle well. If you were going to jungle regardless you should have said something because babygrenades and I were there.
EDIT: Seems worded harshly when there’s no explanation:
With a full premade, the jungler needs to be on voice chat.
-Shaco does not start on wolves.
-There are two ways of hitting level 3 ridiculously quickly and just involves spreading out the boxes a little with leashing (but you needed to be on skype).
-You were doing ONLY river ganks. Shaco can gank through the bushes on top and bottom, very easily if you use Q to get between the spaces
-You didn’t get any GP10 items. As a jungler, especially Shaco, if you aren’t going to get a lot of ganks early you are going to fall off very quickly. You had virtually no items by the end of the game
-You hardly warded. I saw maybe a wriggle’s ward but you are still responsible for warding as much as I was (Lulu). There were too many times that I had to facecheck ward places and the people would just double flash stun me. It was a kill lane bot with 0 wards at the beginning, yet you didn’t level 2 gank.
-You revealed yourself in odd ways. Babygrenades and I were all o_O because you would hide in a bush, and just WALK across to the other bush without saying anything, without stealthing, without accomplishing anything besides walking to and from the bush.
-You need to understand his defense more. If you are going to wait in the bushes to get a cheese kill, you NEED to have a jack in the box along the path or you will get blown up.
-Since you weren’t on skype, if you were going to gank anything, you need to ping.
This, and it’s not about how dumb it is to do with Vlad, it’s about how it compares to other laners you could pick. If you can give me a better WOTA top laner that can scale as well in 2v1 lane, then by all means I’m listening
BLOWN UP!!!
Have you seen Jayce/Nid bot? Shit is so much fun. I just need to get better against bot darius plus lux… <_<
(wall-of-text/Nid-writeup incoming)
Anyways, Nid is incredible but she’s either very passive or very pushy. With enough focus, you can push down her solo lane rather easily especially before she gets dcap if she’s going for high AP. Either way, here’s Nid’s strenghts/weaknesses:
Pros:
-easy to maintain farm and it’s hard for anyone to really deny her farm.
-traps. I rarely see them used to their full potential. I’ve had many a team-fight where someone gets away with a little bit of health (usually teemo <_<) but then good ol’ teemo runs into a bush so he can B, only to walk into a trap and die. On the flip side, you can keep traps everywhere. Instead of buying multiple wards early game, I’ll put a point into traps and keep everything trapped. No need to face-check a bush ever again. I’ll save up and buy a pink ward so i can bust their wards. Besides that, traps are so easy to keep up in so many places that I find buying multiple wards on every trip home to be a waste of money. They aren’t a complete replacement for wards. You still need to properly ward as Nid, only you can save your $ and not buy *as many *wards. Anyways, the trap-game w/ nid is incredible but I think this is plenty for now.
-Nid is one of the most versatile pokers. You can keep hiding behind minions all you want but all you’re doing is making it easy for Nid to farm. With enough farm, Nid can easily push other champs out of their lanes. The Jav is just a small example. Sure, you can just actively dodge the jav but sharp nids don’t rely on landing every jav to win. They just make the whole thing more enjoyable. IE: I spam jav as much as possible but I’m not always trying to hit -you-. I can insta-gib and last hit minions pretty easily with that jav. Javs also turn team-fights around so quickly it’s brutal and hilarious. You think Nid is worthless? Wait until you’re in any fight and you see your health drop by 25-50% (or more) in one random ass hit when you thought Nid was farming bot. Remember, she’s really mobile so going cougar and going through the bushes (with her semi-decent passive) and getting in range to max-range jav you through a wall is really easy.
Cons:
-easy to push. If you’re ahead, or with some champs, tied w/ Nid, you can easily push through her bursts. Especially pre-6. This however is risky because any Nid worth her shit will just kite the hell out of you. Which is what makes nid so tough at solotop because she can kite you while CS-ing w/ her javs and traps
-squishy. For Nid to be any effective, she needs to build really squishy(ly?). If she’s getting fed enough she can grab RoA super early which is incredible for her survivability. Alternately, she can sacrifice a lot of her support abilities to get support items meaning she won’t poke for mad damage or heal for shit. But then again, very few champs have effective HP healing abilities… Anyways, the point here is that she can either have great support abilities (jav, trap, heal for damage, vision/damage, and heal respectively) or she can go for support items to give people auras and have her abilities really kind of suck ass.
All in all, the thing about nid is that she’s more of a support with pretty heavy nukes. If you’re playing smart and you have Nid on your team, you should always have ample health to stay in lane and plenty of vision that you’ll rarely ever get ganked. She’s not perfect in every team comp unlike Mundo but she’s an incredible champ. People just need to play her better. IMO, if her cooldowns were shorter, getting a rylays would be god like on her. As support, getting rylays is pretty gdlk already since you can tag people from so far away. Having someone walk into a bush, get revealed, lose their armor/MR, and be slowed is a pretty good way to earn free kills on roamers/janglars/gankers.
EDIT: her trap has a 1.0 ap ratio. The damage from it can be pretty significant. Walking into a bush and losing a few hundred hp plus getting your resists cut by 40% is pretty significant. Especially since a sharp nid will have vision on you and will try to put long range javs on your ass after you step on said trap. So that whole set up can lead to really good damage.
Going to start queuing on my 800 ELO NA smurf, anybody around this ELO want to duo?
Edit: Oh lord, both supports have clarity in my game rofl
I’m actually recovered from 1200 elo so…
I used to play Nidalee a ton because I love pushing lots of buttons and Nid allows for that perhaps more than any other character, but it gets to be too frustrating sometimes. It’s too annoying to try and get such a niche hero to function on an uncoordinated team.
Her main con is teamfighting. In fact, that’s almost her only con. She’s kind of like Shaco. If you can get fights on your terms, small scale skirmishes and long pokefest tower sieges, she’s amazing. If the enemy team runs hard engage and forces a teamfight, not very useful. This is true of every Nidalee build I’ve seen. Most of her burst is melee, but she doesn’t really have survivability, and she doesn’t do a lot of big AoE damage.
If Malphite ults into your team and you’re Nidalee, you basically run around the edges of the fight trapping, spearing, and healing until people get low and you go in for Cougar kills. That’s all well and good, but your traps, heal, and spear only add so much to the fight. Go in Cougar early and jump in, and you die to practically any AoE or the AD carry hitting you like 3-4 times. Or you’re that TF/Warmogs bruiser Nid and the AD carry fucking ignores you while he kills your team, and you get maybe one CC or exhaust out of the enemy team at best.
What Jayce has that Nidalee doesn’t, aside from perhaps the single most busted skill in the game, is utility. Between a slow, knockback, and speedup, even an 0/6 Jayce can contribute quite a bit to a teamfight. His poke is lower but his teamfighting presence is infinitely greater. In standard team comps of any kind that’s more important. In pure poke comps, Nidalee might be more important than Jayce, although Jayce would provide powerful counterinitiate, but poke comps require a pretty specific crafting. Nidalee, Janna, and Caitlyn seem practically required for a poke comp to be truly effective.
Ultimately what it comes down to is that people play Nidalee because they like her, but without trying to figure out when and where she fits in, or in many cases even how to play her individually. So when you are queuing with a bunch of people you don’t know and someone picks Nidalee, it’s always a crapshoot. Compare that with someone super straightforward, like Graves. When you see someone pick Graves there’s a tendency to think to yourself, “Good, at least it’s Graves. Everybody can play fucking Graves.” To be sure, I’ve seen people who are even awful with Graves, but not even close to the percentage of awful Nidalees I’ve seen.
Everybody: What are some effective team comps that we can come up with? It doesn’t seem like anybody here’s going forward with the team idea but I still want to see where we can go with that. Even if it’s a semi-active, play when we can to not get rusty ranked team or just a test team or really anything. I’d just like to see where the SRK team can go n stuff.
So, with that in mind, I’d like to know what everyone’s best 2 champs and roles are. To simplify that, gimme yer favorite champs and roles. The spreadsheet doesn’t really cover what everyone’s favorite/strongest/prefered champs/positions are so yeah.
To kick this off, my favorite/preferred champs are:
I can do any lane with those champs and I can’t jungle worth a damn. The positions for each champ in order of what I can do best is:
Nid: bot support, mid, top in order of effectiveness. PS: I can’t carry with Nid. She isn’t made for carrying.
Jax: Any lane. I can do hybrid carry bot, mid or top. My only preference is to not do carry bot depending on the matchups. I’m still a little gun-shy about doing carry bot with jax.
With that, there’s still tons of possibilities for the rest of the team. My suggestions for the rest lane buddies:
With my nid: Jayce, vayne, cait, darius, draven, lux, or other champs who are either ranged, tanky, and safe. Lee would also be a great pick. Mundo is also great but not really for sharing lanes against ADC’s unless you’re great at ranged/safe farming. Tanky CC mundo with Nid is one of my favorite duo comps.
With my Jax: Blitz (<3), lux, shen, janna, kayle, lulu, morg, n taric
Nailed it on the head. That’s really why I stopped playing Nid for a while. Her team-fight presence really isn’t that strong. She can help turn around fights with a single jav but if there’s a malphite and mundo running towards my team, then my ability to help is greatly decreased just because if I jav mundo, he’s not going to give many shits. I can shred his armor but if the team isn’t ready to burst him we’re screwed. And waiting an entire team’s burst to kill mundo leaves everyone vulnerable to death by the rest of the team. So, Nid is extremely situational but she’s a champion I just enjoy too much. As a result, I just kept putting in more time with her so I can minimize her weaknesses as much as possible. At this point, I’m 100% comfortable with 80% of her matchups and the matchups that I’m not comfortable with is because I either never see/play that champion or because I haven’t seen everything that champion can do.
Kennen deals with 1v2’s better than vlad.