The Jesse Ventura, I mean Haggar Thread (MvC3)

[Robo-mitsu]

Are you forgetting he has a mid screen distance grab that launches them into the air for OTG and hyper? Who cares his pile driver has no range when his other grab covers massive distance quickly. Pile driver most likely won’t be for getting in.

[Bronzefist]

Yeah, the reason why Thor’s grab isn’t “bad” per se is because it’s basically a 60+% grab. I can sorta understand gimping its range.

But Haggar’s? Maybe that goofy-looking low dropkick can OTG, then combo into super, but I doubt it.

Heh, maybe we truly haven’t seen Haggar’s entire moveset yet and he has an OTG throw like Colossus in XMen COTA:

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One can hope.

[Carpark]

Are you forgetting he has a mid screen distance grab that launches them into the air for OTG and hyper? Who cares his pile driver has no range when his other grab covers massive distance quickly.

Knowing Capcom, it gonna be blockable.

[E_C]

Are you forgetting he has a mid screen distance grab that launches them into the air for OTG and hyper? Who cares his pile driver has no range when his other grab covers massive distance quickly. Pile driver most likely won’t be for getting in.

But why even give a zone-bait brawler a command throw at all if it’s that bad? I would’ve hoped the team would’ve at least try to make moves sensible and balanced as opposed to just throwing something in “just because.” Lariat self-damage thing could be understandable if it’s invincible, but Piledriver doing no damage and having no range? Hell, I’d bet money that his normal throw is gonna end up better.

And, again, we still don’t know if that running grab is unblockable or not, or what its recovery looks like.

Heh, maybe we truly haven’t seen Haggar’s entire moveset yet and he has an OTG throw like Colossus in XMen COTA:

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Yeah, that would be sweet. Even if it only increased the total damage by like 25%, I’m gonna play my “hurr Haggar piledrives shark!” card and say I’d go for Piledriver > Pickup Powerbomb just for the fuck of it.

[Robo-mitsu]

Knowing Capcom, it gonna be blockable.

We’ll have to wait and see, but seeing as Skrull has no problems in that respect I’m thinking Capcom have learnt their lesson.

But why even give a zone-bait brawler a command throw at all if it’s that bad? I would’ve hoped the team would’ve at least try to make moves sensible and balanced as opposed to just throwing something in “just because.” Lariat self-damage thing could be understandable if it’s invincible, but Piledriver doing no damage and having no range? Hell, I’d bet money that his normal throw is gonna end up better.

And, again, we still don’t know if that running grab is unblockable or not, or what its recovery looks like.

Jumping the gun a bit. We have no idea what pile driver does at the moment. Wait and here what its properties are before calling ti useless.

[crimsonspider89]

None of the command grabs yet are blockable. So why would it be?

[Hawkingbird]

I don’t think the damage on piledriver is that bad. And whoever was playing Haggar was mashing piledriver. Possibly the hard attack one which could amount for the pitiful range. If Piledriver ends up being useless I always have dash throw

[Legend_II]

Wow, I’m calling it. Piledriver is the worst move in the game. No range. No damage.

And Haggar doesn’t have the ridiculous recovery time on whiffed light attacks like Thor.

I agree.

Piledriver range is non existant. BOOOOOOO!!! :arazz: :annoy:

Is all about the combos and the running grab. Fuck the Piledriver. :tdown:

[crimsonspider89]

Depends on probably LMH. One probably quick, no recovery but sucks. One has good range longer recovery if missed and one probably has high damage but right on the target.

[Bronzefist]

I don’t think the damage on piledriver is that bad. And whoever was playing Haggar was mashing piledriver. Possibly the hard attack one which could amount for the pitiful range. If Piledriver ends up being useless I always have dash throw

Yeah I’m still holding out hope for piledriver. It was painfully obvious some random dude was playing Phoenix and Haggar in the vids, so we haven’t really seen much at all for them. Dude was doing very basic combos, supers, and random mashing.

I’d be very surprised if his dashing throw is blockable. The versus series has had unblockable dashing throws before (Gief running bear grab, Rogue’s kiss), and even She-Hulk has one in MvC3.

I think we’ll just have to wait until a real match vid from Capcom themselves, or a character demo from Seth, before we can truly write off the piledriver. The only good thing I can say about it right now is that it still leaves the opponent at your feet and doesn’t bounce them far away like Gief’s. :razzy:

[Legend_II]

Pipe weilding normal attacks are beautiful; they have range! Haggar now has 'Gief’s VS up-toss throw from past games, the dash grabs look faster than what Red Cyclone had AND looks like he has set ups from it.

An invulnerable attack than can actually stop rushdowns and help set up combos and supers for less than probable chip damage? Sign me up.

Haggar/Spencer/Cap America to start for me. Shield throw and Arm Pull assists should help close gaps for Haggar. It’s going to be fun. :wgrin:

Have fun with him but forget the Piledriver exists, LOL! :arazz:

Play him like Clark with a lariat.

[k4polo]

Have fun with him but forget the Piledriver exists, LOL! :arazz:

Play him like Clark with a lariat.

Yea Clark had a comboable and unblockable grab. Shit was boss.
Haggar at least got some popular.

ppl be like Zangief Clone WTF is this shit. Casual.

[Hiryu02]

Piledriver will likely be very fast, faster than his light attacks, mainly used as a quick easy punish of moves that are safe or almost safe on block if the range is right. Maybe he can OTG with it? Bodyslam Super after a fast unblockable grab is ok in my book, even if the grab isn’t great damage on it’s own.

[Sylari]

The range on his piledriver looks pretty sad.

[REALPLAYER]

it looks like piledriver will be comboable…

piledriver, dropkick xx spleen tenderizer, body bump xx launch, aircombo ending with spinning air slam (just as a minor example)

piledriver not having range could offset its followups. i still don’t think Haggar is anything to write home about but he’s got some value…maybe

[lordvaati]

Wow, I’m calling it. Piledriver is the worst move in the game. No range. No damage.

And Haggar doesn’t have the ridiculous recovery time on whiffed light attacks like Thor.

I’ll wager that they will give him the grab range of AE Zangeif

[Deadpoolfanssj4]

Are you forgetting he has a mid screen distance grab that launches them into the air for OTG and hyper? Who cares his pile driver has no range when his other grab covers massive distance quickly. Pile driver most likely won’t be for getting in.

So does skrull, and x-23 does too, and they both have mobility and damage. I don’t know if this has anything to do with what you were trying to say. I just wanted to point out reason number 67 that Haggar is pure diarrhea.

[FUN]

In G4’s recent vids on Haggar and Phoenix, Haggar’s FF combo super only does a few hits instead of 30 like it did in his reveal trailer. Maybe it’s mashable like Shoryu Cannon or something?

[Delicious_Toast]

So does skrull, and x-23 does too, and they both have mobility and damage. I don’t know if this has anything to do with what you were trying to say. I just wanted to point out reason number 67 that Haggar is pure diarrhea.

[Deadpoolfanssj4]

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I think you’re confused. I’m not mad about haggar. In fact I’m happy that I’m going to get a free kill everytime someone picks him against me.